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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2019 15:04:05 GMT -6
Why would we be the favorite this year? By default? Rest of league that bad? Certainly can’t be based on past results or proven quality. So far it's working for FB.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 21, 2019 15:05:55 GMT -6
Why would we be the favorite this year? By default? Rest of league that bad? Certainly can’t be based on past results or proven quality. So far it's working for FB. Football team has a mentality and toughness that b-ball just hasn’t and won’t have.
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Post by CallingBS on Oct 21, 2019 15:53:20 GMT -6
By the way, I don't think BSU will go without ANY player averaging 2 assists or better. I'm sure they just looked at each player individually and projected how many assists they would have in a normal situation, without considering the roster as a whole. But in BSU's situation, with no obvious D1 point/lead guard, SOMEBODY is going to have to have some assists greater than 2 per game.
Looking back through the stats 5 years, BSU had at least 2 players each year with >2 apg. Including the immortal Naiel Smith in 15/16. So, you don't have to be much good to have 2 apg, you may just happen to fall into a void.
Assists are a funny stat. For one thing, you need somebody else to hit a shot to get one. For another, the recognition of an assist is somewhat subjective whereas the other major stats are pretty black and white. I think that few assists are the classic such-a-good-pass-the-guy-couldn't-help-but-score variety. Assists are often used as a proxy stat for general ball-handling and offense facilitation. They are, I suppose, the best stat available for this, yet they are not a direct measure and can be misleading...but still useful when viewed with discretion. Even though T-rank's projection of nobody averaging two assists is a mistake, as I discuss above, I think that projection does correctly point out a real issue.
Anyway, this situation is going to be a weakness for certain, and possibly a crippling, season-long weakness. Although Person's efficiency fell off last year, you have to give him that he was always ready, willing and able to take the ball and do something purposeful with it. That will be missed, and there will be times when nobody does anything particularly purposeful with the ball. Yep assists, rebounding and turnovers will all be major issues this season. As well as defense, shooting, and scoring. Is that a problem?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 16:26:23 GMT -6
....and just like that, it happened. Right in the middle of an historic three game winning streak (and potential Tater Bowl bid), the basketball arguments come along and soiled our football nirvana.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 21, 2019 18:31:05 GMT -6
....and just like that, it happened. Right in the middle of an historic three game winning streak (and potential Tater Bowl bid), the basketball arguments come along and soiled our football nirvana. I will not partake till football is over..This is my year Ive suffered long enough
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2019 18:50:22 GMT -6
BSU, football, Nirvana.
Strange combination of words. Perhaps never uttered in the same sentence.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Oct 21, 2019 19:27:59 GMT -6
BSU, football, Nirvana. Strange combination of words. Perhaps never uttered in the same sentence. Well maybe when we were 12-0!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 21, 2019 19:47:39 GMT -6
BSU, football, Nirvana. Strange combination of words. Perhaps never uttered in the same sentence. Smells like team spirit
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2019 19:54:19 GMT -6
Smells like a doobie.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 21, 2019 20:29:37 GMT -6
By the way, I don't think BSU will go without ANY player averaging 2 assists or better. I'm sure they just looked at each player individually and projected how many assists they would have in a normal situation, without considering the roster as a whole. But in BSU's situation, with no obvious D1 point/lead guard, SOMEBODY is going to have to have some assists greater than 2 per game.
Looking back through the stats 5 years, BSU had at least 2 players each year with >2 apg. Including the immortal Naiel Smith in 15/16. So, you don't have to be much good to have 2 apg, you may just happen to fall into a void.
Assists are a funny stat. For one thing, you need somebody else to hit a shot to get one. For another, the recognition of an assist is somewhat subjective whereas the other major stats are pretty black and white. I think that few assists are the classic such-a-good-pass-the-guy-couldn't-help-but-score variety. Assists are often used as a proxy stat for general ball-handling and offense facilitation. They are, I suppose, the best stat available for this, yet they are not a direct measure and can be misleading...but still useful when viewed with discretion. Even though T-rank's projection of nobody averaging two assists is a mistake, as I discuss above, I think that projection does correctly point out a real issue.
Anyway, this situation is going to be a weakness for certain, and possibly a crippling, season-long weakness. Although Person's efficiency fell off last year, you have to give him that he was always ready, willing and able to take the ball and do something purposeful with it. That will be missed, and there will be times when nobody does anything particularly purposeful with the ball. Yep assists, rebounding and turnovers will all be major issues this season. How about scoring?
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Post by sweep on Oct 22, 2019 9:47:31 GMT -6
teamrankings.com released a whole slew of computer driven data today. BSU checks in at 119 on their power index and 159 on their simulated RPI. www.teamrankings.com/ncb/
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 22, 2019 9:54:07 GMT -6
teamrankings.com released a whole slew of computer driven data today. BSU checks in at 119 on their power index and 159 on their simulated RPI. www.teamrankings.com/ncb/Id say that one may not be far off
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 22, 2019 10:56:49 GMT -6
BSU finished 133 last year in the Kenpom rankings. I think that ranking is somewhat buoyed by the earlier season results and they were actually worse than that as they lost 6 of 8 to finish. (note - this was after getting the players back whose absence was the supposed excuse for some earlier losses)
It's difficult for me to see how they could be an improved team given that they don't seem to have really replaced Moses and especially Persons with like or better. I think Kenpoms 135 preseason ranking is pretty sensible. Not sure how they would get bumped to 119. Sure, you can make the case that they underperformed last year, but...you know....they have the same coach this year.
With the MAC is a pretty obvious down cycle due to graduation/transfer/coaching losses this year, it shouldn't be too difficult to improve on the 11th place finish. But I don't see improvement in a national context as being likely.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 22, 2019 12:19:37 GMT -6
Your narrative of the ending last year may be faulty. I don't think Moses and Persons were nearly at their best, that hurt. And the two returnees were not full strength and showed rust from their layoff.
You scoff at depth as an issue, but lack thereof took a toll.
We'll miss the seniors, have some learning to do early but will be better for having numbers this year
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 22, 2019 12:26:51 GMT -6
Your narrative of the ending last year may be faulty. I don't think Moses and Persons were nearly at their best, that hurt. And the two returnees were not full strength and showed rust from their layoff. You scoff at depth as an issue, but lack thereof took a toll. We'll miss the seniors, have some learning to do early but will be better for having numbers this year Your right about Persons and Trey not being at their best. What you do not do mention is Why? They should have been better than they had been.. You know go out with a bang instead they(more so Trey) went out with a whimper. Was that coaching?
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