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Post by sweep on Nov 4, 2019 20:29:02 GMT -6
Or what it means is we had ample opportunity to recruit another PG and a center for years and did not do it. Bumbalough will someday start but he is not ready and can not defend right now Indeed. I'm like everyone in that I sort of root for walk-ons and acknowledge their accomplishment, but Thompson starting at point represents drastic, long-term recruiting failure. I wonder if Whitford realizes how incredibly fortunate he is Thompson returned this year. Instead of talking up Teague at every opportunity he might want to at least acknowledge Thompson's selfless contribution. Of course that is likely lost on Dipshit Jimmy.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2019 20:29:53 GMT -6
Your theory where they don't guard him, he'd hit high 30's. His main job is to control the ball and play good D. A guy with the ball you can only back away if he shoots like KJ... As soon as Thompson passes the ball, his man is free to roam to double-team potential scorers. Thompson is a nice legacy story who has far exceeded expectations, it's just that if he is playing major minutes at PG this season, this team isn't going very far. I can't make the case he will ever be a primary scorer, but I think you underestimate Josh shooting, especially if they don't guard him.
As far as Josh goes, your other premise is that it will be easy for the defender to find a guy to double up. I don't see us playing in a way where we have a static post man who can be double teamed. And it seems unlikely they double a perimeter player. So I don't know for sure what you have in mind.
There is the plausible idea to just drop back and clog the lane. But, if Josh has the ball they can't do that. And if he passes and moves to an open spot, it will not be easy to avoid giving him an easy shot.
You are right on one principle. Unless somebody is hitting outside we will play against packed defenses and struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 20:34:04 GMT -6
Someone will play well tomorrow night and they will be crowned the next great thing... Mark me words Don’t overlook the fact that we could come out of the chute with a leg up on the annual Non Conference SOS competition.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2019 20:46:09 GMT -6
"Your theory where they don't guard him, he'd hit high 30's." Are you joking, he was wide open when he hit 30%. The bigger problem I had with Josh last year was that he did not take the good shots he was given, was not ready to shoot. Too much pass first.
I think what you saw sometimes was when he ended up with the ball too far from the basket, the clock winding down. But a lot of it was that he just was not looking for a shot until then, trying to dribble around and find somewhere to pass.
The result sometimes was to bring back memories of Billy Ball. Desperation hurried shots
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2019 20:47:42 GMT -6
On the subject of people helping off our players, the more I think about it the problem with this lineup will be teams that drop off KJ. And that will work if we play him like a SF or SG standing around on the perimeter. If he is going to play I think we will use him more like former player Chris Bond who at 6-4 played more as a PF.
KJ is on the floor to be active on D, score on the break, rebound missed shots if they don't maintain position between him and the basket, and to take advantage of mismatched defenders who can't keep up with him or guard him in the lane.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 4, 2019 21:05:40 GMT -6
So I conducted an experiment with my wife.. i asked her to name the starting line up. She nailed it with no help.. She then added its to bad Gunn never got any better.. My wife only watches one sport and thats BSU basketball and she is very simplistic when it cmes to analyzing it. I think we as all knowing BSU basketball junkies over think everything..
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2019 21:18:15 GMT -6
She's not distracted by all the other posters, well, only by one poster.
We could all try going cold turkey from the forum and watch our thoughts become clear, I guess?
But what fun would that be?
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Post by david75bsu on Nov 5, 2019 8:54:51 GMT -6
That starting line up may not be the permanent starting line up, but it is bad news as far as it goes. You always, always, ALWAYS, want to see newcomers taking starting positions from holdovers, whatever state your program might be in, because the holdovers are known quantities, and you always want to see the talent upgraded beyond what you already knew you had. If the newcomers really aren't any better than that starting line up, then, given the loss of Persons and Moses, the team will probably be worse than last year. That's not to say that (even given they ARE worse) they might not still have better results because last years team developed a uncannily strong knack for losing as the year went on. That was my point exactly. If some of the new players can’t break in from the team that we had last year, we are in trouble!
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 5, 2019 9:47:15 GMT -6
I expected to see 3G some of the time, partly because KJ is so athletic and able to defend bigger players.
I actually thought we'd probably see KJ as a reserve with Josh and Ish as starters. Against bigger teams I'd expect we see Hazen or Thomas start in his place and Hendricks and Huggie get some minutes. But even then a small lineup has some pluses if we are playing faster.
Some have criticized our recruiting for not fitting conventional roles, but we have at least 3 newcomers who are just basketball players, not really fitting a conventional role as purely a G or F. If you have athletic kids who can play multiple positions a 3G lineup makes sense. Teague, Thomas, Hazen, Mallers, and maybe Hendricks can all play 2 positions up front.
Playing smaller is going to be a feature, not a bug.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 5, 2019 10:15:28 GMT -6
That starting line up may not be the permanent starting line up, but it is bad news as far as it goes. You always, always, ALWAYS, want to see newcomers taking starting positions from holdovers, whatever state your program might be in, because the holdovers are known quantities, and you always want to see the talent upgraded beyond what you already knew you had. If the newcomers really aren't any better than that starting line up, then, given the loss of Persons and Moses, the team will probably be worse than last year. That's not to say that (even given they ARE worse) they might not still have better results because last years team developed a uncannily strong knack for losing as the year went on. That was my point exactly. If some of the new players can’t break in from the team that we had last year, we are in trouble! In the MAC unless you lost a larger number of players, I don't expect a freshman starter very often. I'd wait a few games to see who are best 5 players are. I just disagree if you are saying that having more than 5 capable players returning is a bad thing! And despite the MAC season results last year and the 3 seniors we lost, we have 6 solid MAC players returning, with Hazen and Ish coming back at full speed. Hazen is a starting quality player in particular.
This lineup does not mean the newcomers lack talent. Just from watching practice last year Thomas, Coleman, Acree are talented enough to contribute. The freshmen have shown enough talent against good competition to believe they will be capable.
Right now it may not be difference in talent so much, but more a case of lack of experience and trying to juggle so many potential lineups that makes it harder to identify the best starting 5. Surely Ish, Teague, Mallers, Hazen, KJ and Josh deserve to be in the playing rotation. How we fit in the newcomers will take some time.
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Post by david75bsu on Nov 5, 2019 10:58:08 GMT -6
That was my point exactly. If some of the new players can’t break in from the team that we had last year, we are in trouble! In the MAC unless you lost a larger number of players, I don't expect a freshman starter very often. I'd wait a few games to see who are best 5 players are. I just disagree if you are saying that having more than 5 capable players returning is a bad thing! And despite the MAC season results last year and the 3 seniors we lost, we have 6 solid MAC players returning, with Hazen and Ish coming back at full speed. Hazen is a starting quality player in particular.
This lineup does not mean the newcomers lack talent. Just from watching practice last year Thomas, Coleman, Acree are talented enough to contribute. The freshmen have shown enough talent against good competition to believe they will be capable.
Right now it may not be difference in talent so much, but more a case of lack of experience and trying to juggle so many potential lineups that makes it harder to identify the best starting 5. Surely Ish, Teague, Mallers, Hazen, KJ and Josh deserve to be in the playing rotation. How we fit in the newcomers will take some time. I hope you are right and I am very wrong. Time will tell.
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Post by bsu1 on Nov 5, 2019 11:22:22 GMT -6
I am anxious to get this season started and to see who the PG is tonight. The only surety is Teague and Mallers starting and probably KJ and Ish. I really liked Hazen's play last year. I'm a little higher on Ish than many of you and maybe a little lower on KJ. Gunn's gun is streaky at best but showed a little less one-dimensional near the end. Josh is steady but doesnt give much offensively.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 5, 2019 13:12:19 GMT -6
Right now it may not be difference in talent so much, but more a case of lack of experience and trying to juggle so many potential lineups that makes it harder to identify the best starting 5. Surely Ish, Teague, Mallers, Hazen, KJ and Josh deserve to be in the playing rotation. How we fit in the newcomers will take some time. When you finish 11th out of 12, you kind of hope that you have better talent coming in. The kind of talent that just comes in and starts without any need to talk about "lack of experience" and difficulty in identifying who is best. But, of course, recruiting has consequences.
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 5, 2019 14:58:26 GMT -6
I'm going to alter my starting line up tonight believing we will go small.....Teague, Mallers, Ish, KJ, and Thompson......push!
Did not look at link first...promise, but agree with Cardfan...doesn't matter tonight
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 5, 2019 15:23:38 GMT -6
Right now it may not be difference in talent so much,..Surely Ish, Teague, Mallers, Hazen, KJ and Josh deserve to be in the playing rotation. How we fit in the newcomers will take some time. When you finish 11th out of 12, you kind of hope that you have better talent coming in. The kind of talent that just comes in and starts without any need to talk about "lack of experience" The biggest factor in the conference swoon was injury and lack of depth. We solved both.
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