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Post by 00hmh on Dec 12, 2019 12:25:29 GMT -6
More than likely the choice not to participate at the FBS level will change in the next few years. Give the last round of realignment and the great 4 team playoff time to settle in and someone to not make enough money and there’ll be some changes. I wouldn’t be surprised if the new FBS would streamline to four divisions/conferences to reinforce the playoff format and the teams/conferences that aren’t the big draws will be on the outside of it all. I see things like this suggested from time to time, i.e. that somebody is going to step in a kick the MAC out of FBS. But why would they go to the trouble? The MAC is obviously not siphoning off any of the power schools' revenue. Why should the power schools care that MAC football loses > $100 million every year? If the MAC wants to continue the charade of FBS, it's not hurting anybody except the MAC school students paying the fees and state taxpayers paying into the general funds. The FBS P5 vschools are using the mid majors and value them to some extent. Many of those schools need a victory or two to be bowl eligible, or as is equivalent to claim to their alumni that they have a winning record.
But. The other side of "the coin" for the P% is IF they did manage to ditch the "other 5" they could have the chance to ditch the NCAA in FB with resulting control over the TV money and have better control of the conference branding opportunities.
There are 5 conferences with all but a few of the schools which can make money to start with, or have the money to lose.
The "other" 5 FBS conferences have less than a handful of schools who can make a little money or can afford to lose it for the "prestige." And their revenue is very sensitive to a few money games.
The mechanism for P5 jumping the NCAA ship would eliminate "money games" for the lower tier. The P5 would head that way by allowing fewer OOC games and requiring higher SOS for conference members. IU for example, could not schedule multiple games against the likes of BSU and would have to replace games with bottom feeder P5 schools.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 12, 2019 13:33:50 GMT -6
" The other side of "the coin" for the P% is IF they did manage to ditch the "other 5" they could have the chance to ditch the NCAA in FB with resulting control over the TV money and have better control of the conference branding opportunities. "
What constraints does the NCAA currently put on them? I don't know much about this but it just seems to me that the P5 has pretty much all the control they could want. They have their own TV networks for crying out loud.
If the P5 kicks the others to the curb, they take a PR hit and look like bullies. And there are a lot of "other 5" students and alumni who are fans of P5 schools...as we all know. They watch their games, buy their gear, etc. The P5 wouldn't want to piss them off unless they had a good reason....which I don't see that they do.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 13, 2019 9:39:45 GMT -6
Being free of NCAA would allow them all kinds of changes. The result would be ways to increase TV revenue.
More games for example, no restrictions on schedule. Deals with NFL to co-brand. Deals to develop players and so on. No recruiting restrictions. No transfer limitations. No pretense of amateurism. They'd be able to further "improve" and differentiate their product, experiment with changes.
Sure it wouldn't really be college FB, but it's not anyway. Rich get richer...
Only thing holding it together now may be the basketball deal. For now it is in the sweet spot with some offset to P5 economics.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 13, 2019 11:27:47 GMT -6
The power schools WANT to pay for the free labor they're currently getting? That would be odd.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 13, 2019 12:42:37 GMT -6
The NFL does OK with paid employees.
Besides, they'd just be bidding against non-P5 competition. And wouldn't be hampered by those pesky NCAA rules about eligibility and the like.
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Post by redfeather on Dec 13, 2019 22:07:21 GMT -6
Miami losses to Ohio State 76-5, than wins the MAC. No MAC team will ever win a football national championship, probably never make Top Ten. We need to drop down to FCS, at minimum. Their are times when FCS schools make Top 25. FCS schools also play FBS schools, Indiana State has played Indiana and Purdue and others. FCS schools also have all their games are broadcast on the ESPN channels. Let’s give up the joke of being FBS. WE DON’t EVEN WIN THE SMALL BOWL GAMES ANY MORE and we have never won a bowl game. I wonder what Appalachin State would have to say about that this year?
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Post by CallingBS on Dec 14, 2019 11:18:29 GMT -6
Oh my goodness...I just clicked on this. That is loathsome. Here's even worse news. Those are inflated numbers. Those are tickets sold not butts-in-seats. It gets worse: NCAA Football Attendance 2018 - All DivisionsThe top 29 FCS programs out drew us, as did the top 3 D2 programs (many by a very wide margin). We are pretenders in every way.
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Post by CallingBS on Dec 14, 2019 11:49:46 GMT -6
21,437 at Lucas Oil for the IU game. Noon kickoff. Last time there, in 2011, we got 40k. 7pm kickoff. Draw your own conclusions on why the attendance was so poor this time. For this past season we averaged 13,497, going by the attendance reported in the box scores. Still bad, but better than the past few years. I got an average of 11,568 (80,982 for 7 home games). When you take away the IU game, my numbers say we averaged 9,924. Toledo was essentially the high-water mark (for tickets sold to BSU fans anyway) at 15,113. The IU game attendance was much worse, IMO, than 2011 because everyone had really low expectations for the team. Surprised more IU fans didn't show.
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Post by david75bsu on Dec 14, 2019 16:37:20 GMT -6
Miami losses to Ohio State 76-5, than wins the MAC. No MAC team will ever win a football national championship, probably never make Top Ten. We need to drop down to FCS, at minimum. Their are times when FCS schools make Top 25. FCS schools also play FBS schools, Indiana State has played Indiana and Purdue and others. FCS schools also have all their games are broadcast on the ESPN channels. Let’s give up the joke of being FBS. WE DON’t EVEN WIN THE SMALL BOWL GAMES ANY MORE and we have never won a bowl game. I wonder what Appalachin State would have to say about that this year? They’ll never win a national title - NEVER!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:53:26 GMT -6
I wonder what Appalachin State would have to say about that this year? They’ll never win a national title - NEVER! That is correct. For all of App’s football success, they can’t compete at the highest tier. In 2017, App State had football revenue of $31.7M and football expenses of $31.5M. Each student is charged $750 to fund athletics. ($11M of the $31.7M football revenue came from student fees) The last information I found indicates Appalachian State loses $20M annually on total athletics. This is a a very successful FCS/FBS football program and they’re leaking money all the way down the mountain in athletics.
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