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Post by cardfan on Jan 17, 2020 9:35:27 GMT -6
Maybe the Lynch's can groom their kids into being coaches. We won't have to look outside to hire anyone else and can continue the legacy for decades. You’re on to something here.
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Post by comet on Jan 17, 2020 9:53:25 GMT -6
Stat of the day: Since Paul Schudel left (replaced by Bill Lynch), Ball State has a .416 winning percentage with 6 winning seasons in those 25 years. That is sooooooooooooo sad! Yeh, it's really disheartening when you see those kind of numbers. I, and so many of us on here, would love to see us have much more success than what we've had. Again, might be a great move, but just can't believe that to be true when Kevin has no QB nor OC experience.
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 17, 2020 10:00:35 GMT -6
That is sooooooooooooo sad! Yeh, it's really disheartening when you see those kind of numbers. I, and so many of us on here, would love to see us have much more success than what we've had. Again, might be a great move, but just can't believe that to be true when Kevin has no QB nor OC experience.
I reminded my wife that we only have had six winning seasons in the past twenty-five years. Her comment, “It feels like it!” Her tone of voice really showed how she feels about it.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 17, 2020 10:09:22 GMT -6
Might as well build on a great legacy Stat of the day: Since Paul Schudel left (replaced by Bill Lynch), Ball State has a .416 winning percentage with 6 winning seasons in those 25 years. We can point to a lot of causes not related to Bill Lynch. The cost of football has rather persistently increased and all mid majors have faced this threat.
Our history may go back to the earliest period of costs skyrocketing, where we had less "fat" to trim as costs escalated. You will recall the recruiting budget cut backs Lynch faced 25 years ago, leading to a large number of recruits from within driving distance of campus, and the legitimate complaints Brady Hoke had about budget for assistant coaches and recruiting. That was about 12-15 years ago.
Our funding has been pinched for at least 25 years with occasional exception. Sure, this is related to all the usual villains on the revenue side of the story, and to a fair amount of mismanagement of the limited resources we have, to the costs of coaching buyouts and so on. Can't blame any Lynch for any of that... Moral of the story is that highest level of college FB is expensive and we are at the very best funded at a marginal level. You want quality? Winning records? On our budget, not even a premium beer budget? The Blatz beer(?) of "major" college football is what we get.
We have just caught up to our poor cousins in the MAC in one area with the indoor practice facility, but that cost us a fair amount of the available alumni gift funding and good will that our competitors who are past that will have to deal with crisis and increased funding difficulties which are surely on the horizon. I can't be optimistic.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 17, 2020 10:10:24 GMT -6
Maybe the Lynch's can groom their kids into being coaches. We won't have to look outside to hire anyone else and can continue the legacy for decades. You’re on to something here. New heights of depending on home grown talent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:21:51 GMT -6
Stat of the day: Since Paul Schudel left (replaced by Bill Lynch), Ball State has a .416 winning percentage with 6 winning seasons in those 25 years. We can point to a lot of causes not related to Bill Lynch. The cost of football has rather persistently increased and all mid majors have faced this threat.
Our history may go back to the earliest period of costs skyrocketing, where we had less "fat" to trim as costs escalated. You will recall the recruiting budget cut backs Lynch faced 25 years ago, leading to a large number of recruits from within driving distance of campus, and the legitimate complaints Brady Hoke had about budget for assistant coaches and recruiting. That was about 12-15 years ago.
Our funding has been pinched for at least 25 years with occasional exception. Sure, this is related to all the usual villains on the revenue side of the story, and to a fair amount of mismanagement of the limited resources we have, to the costs of coaching buyouts and so on. Can't blame any Lynch for any of that... Moral of the story is that highest level of college FB is expensive and we are at the very best funded at a marginal level. You want quality? Winning records? On our budget, not even a premium beer budget? The Blatz beer(?) of "major" college football is what we get.
We have just caught up to our poor cousins in the MAC in one area with the indoor practice facility, but that cost us a fair amount of the available alumni gift funding and good will that our competitors who are past that will have to deal with crisis and increased funding difficulties which are surely on the horizon. I can't be optimistic.
No excuses. Bill Lynch was not a good HC at the D1-FBS level. He proved it at BSU and IU. He is a good coach, just should not be a D1 HC.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 17, 2020 11:34:27 GMT -6
Our funding has been pinched for at least 25 years with occasional exception. Sure, this is related to all the usual villains on the revenue side of the story, and to a fair amount of mismanagement of the limited resources we have, to the costs of coaching buyouts and so on. Can't blame any Lynch for any of that... Moral of the story is that highest level of college FB is expensive and we are at the very best funded at a marginal level. You want quality? Winning records? On our budget, not even a premium beer budget? The Blatz beer(?) of "major" college football is what we get.
No excuses. Bill Lynch was not a good HC at the D1-FBS level. He proved it at BSU and IU. He is a good coach, just should not be a D1 HC. My point is that this is not all about Lynch when we see have won 41% of games for 25 years.
His record here and at IU are at bottom dwellers in their conference. That was not just his coaching, the villain that somehow brought good programs down. How did IU and BSU do without Lynch? Head and shoulders better?
As for excusing some of his performance, yes, I think BSU pinched his funding and that hurt him as it hurts now and all the coaches in between. That is not to say he was a hero coach. But certainly had some impact on his performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 13:29:45 GMT -6
No excuses. Bill Lynch was not a good HC at the D1-FBS level. He proved it at BSU and IU. He is a good coach, just should not be a D1 HC. How did IU and BSU do without Lynch? Head and shoulders better?
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We'll never know. We were not bottom dwellers when he took over. Only at the end of his run. His program could not recruit. He hurt us during his time here, and for a few years afterward, causing a large amount of the losses. A very nice guy, a great father and a good football HC outside of D1 FBS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 13:39:30 GMT -6
The records were SIGNIFICANTLY better prior to 1995. Attach whatever name you want to 1995 ——>
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Post by comet on Jan 17, 2020 13:47:35 GMT -6
How did IU and BSU do without Lynch? Head and shoulders better?
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We'll never know. We were not bottom dwellers when he took over. Only at the end of his run. His program could not recruit. He hurt us during his time here, and for a few years afterward, causing a large amount of the losses. A very nice guy, a great father and a good football HC outside of D1 FBS. And who was that coach that everyone thinks so highly of just before Lynch and who left for what reasons ??
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 17, 2020 14:34:11 GMT -6
How did IU and BSU do without Lynch? Head and shoulders better?
performance.
We'll never know. We were not bottom dwellers when he took over. Only at the end of his run. His program could not recruit. He hurt us during his time here, and for a few years afterward, causing a large amount of the losses. Focus on recruiting. Good point.
I am telling you that some of the problem recruiting was a restriction on travel. THAT part of the failure recruiting was beyond his control. That was a step taken by the AD at the time. Lasted the bulk of his years. And it was a time when travel was perhaps more important than now. His years 37-53.
After he left there was some increase and you can argue his successor was just better all around recruiting, but Brady (30-39) complained about it through his 5 years. Made a little headway on budget and it helped. But with trade off of loss of salary dollars.
Parrish 6-18 may have had multiple problems other than recruiting, but Brady left the cupboard a bit bare for him and there was no recruiting blitz possible either.
Lembo (pick of the litter by record at 33-29) had the best budget in one way, he came with pretty good pretty cheap assistants. But ultimately could not retain those assistants who did the recruiting which was not so good at the end as he lost them.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 17, 2020 14:37:35 GMT -6
The records were SIGNIFICANTLY better prior to 1995. Attach whatever name you want to 1995 ——> Yes that was the day for college football in many ways! Many places, too.
And a huge part of that was the history when mid major budgets could still hang in there and compete. TV money, conference consolidation, a budget crunch on the second tier state schools all over the Midwest, and other factors took their toll in the last 25 years.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 17, 2020 14:45:28 GMT -6
When your budget does not allow you to go get kids or your told you gotta try and take some in state kids who might not be deserving your going to struggle
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 17, 2020 14:50:15 GMT -6
BSU FB was good from the time we entered the MAC until after Neu's class graduated. What the school or AD did was they broke away from hiring the HC's from the same backgrounds. Four of the 5 coaches from 1962-1994 all of whom had winning records here were all former MAC level players in Schudel-Miami,Wallace-BG,McClain-BG & Louthen WMU. The three who coached in the MAC won with primarily Ohio players. I think it's very clear where we need to look for both FB coaches & players it's Ohio. The worst records in the yrs 1962-1996 were Myers teams (68-70) & he was a BSU grad. He finished 15-14 in 3 yrs & lost his last game 60-0 to EMU.I will add that Neu has equaled in 4 yrs the same number of wins as Hoke had with 15.They even had the same number of wins each yr.The first-4, 2nd-2, 3rd-4, & 4th 5.Hoke had 7 in yr 5.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 17, 2020 14:52:21 GMT -6
Ohio High School football was and remains very good. There are just a ton of schools to recruit against.
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