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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2020 11:09:28 GMT -6
We can’t allow a MAC Victory go by (especially over a team that had dominated it’s last 5 opponents) without declaring “Cleveland Supremacy”. So I’m predicting the Cards are in the final four MAC teams as ALL FIRES click in for a fleeting period of time! Book those Hampton Suites now before they’re all gone. Looking at Eastern's February 6 game run, even their loss to Akron is not a bad one.
02/01 Toledo W 61-57 Home 11-10 1-7 02/04 Buffalo W 66-62 Home 12-10 2-7 02/08 Akron L 58-59 Away 12-11 2-8 02/11 Central Mich W 73-70 Away 13-11 3-8 02/15 W Michigan W 69-51 Home 14-11 4-8 02/18 Kent State W 70-49 Home 15-11 5-8
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2020 11:24:30 GMT -6
So, I did go to the game. However I found that my attention was more engaged in talking to my old buddies (who I don't see that often) rather than by the pointless, mediocre mid-major game on the floor. Welcome to the good bad and ugly of BSU sports. All in one, and the same thing. Hail to our reality. And there you go making a case for it, paying for a cheap ticket and enjoying the game despite it all.
Anything else defies what most college sports fans would say is the definition of mid major sports.
Calhoun posted a defense of it above. A mid major has to be excused more than a little pointless and mediocre.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 24, 2020 11:34:54 GMT -6
Coleman's played more minutes during the past 5 games than he's played during any 5-game stretch all season. You need to run for public office; you make up more shit than any politician. Which stat is why some were worried. I had more concern about Luke than Coleman anyway, because of his size. 30 is marginal for any player. Coleman season average closer to 25. This stretch not good. Yesterday Coleman at 30 minutes is not his high even in the 5 games. May be his low for the 5. Bumb playing even more in a couple of games, that's a bigger problem. For both well over season average in the last 5 games. But don't the numbers yesterday seem more manageable? Better if Colenan played a little less. But he has recently played more so I am still worried at 30, especially not sure about 3 games in 3 nights. Here's Coleman and Bumb's last ten. The numbers yesterday are basically the same. You said, "Each played fewer minutes than in several recent games and Whitford was properly watching a problem". What the hell does that even mean? This is just nonsense, again. Coleman 29:50 30:34 30:10 31:11 30:39 28:12 28:57 29:11 26:58 17:03 Bumb 32:58 22:15 28:12 32:13 30:14 27:36 33:12 33:10 36:10 30:00
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 24, 2020 11:44:02 GMT -6
We can’t allow a MAC Victory go by (especially over a team that had dominated it’s last 5 opponents) without declaring “Cleveland Supremacy”. So I’m predicting the Cards are in the final four MAC teams as ALL FIRES click in for a fleeting period of time! Book those Hampton Suites now before they’re all gone. Looking at Eastern's February 6 game run, even their loss to Akron is not a bad one.
02/01 Toledo W 61-57 Home 11-10 1-7 02/04 Buffalo W 66-62 Home 12-10 2-7 02/08 Akron L 58-59 Away 12-11 2-8 02/11 Central Mich W 73-70 Away 13-11 3-8 02/15 W Michigan W 69-51 Home 14-11 4-8 02/18 Kent State W 70-49 Home 15-11 5-8 You know, before the game, I looked at that streak and thought "Uh-oh". Then after the game I thought, "How does that team beat anybody?"
I really do suspect they were trying to burn clock in the 2nd half, because they often seemed like they weren't even seriously TRYING to score. If so, I think it backfired because they simply aren't competent enough to mentally switch from "burn clock" mode to "try to score" mode in mid-possession. Maybe the lesson is that you can't afford to get cute and compromise your focus when you are the #321 offense in the country
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 24, 2020 11:45:35 GMT -6
Looking at Eastern's February 6 game run, even their loss to Akron is not a bad one.
02/01 Toledo W 61-57 Home 11-10 1-7 02/04 Buffalo W 66-62 Home 12-10 2-7 02/08 Akron L 58-59 Away 12-11 2-8 02/11 Central Mich W 73-70 Away 13-11 3-8 02/15 W Michigan W 69-51 Home 14-11 4-8 02/18 Kent State W 70-49 Home 15-11 5-8 You know, before the game, I looked at that streak and thought "Uh-oh". Then after the game I thought, "How does that team beat anybody?"
I really do suspect they were trying to burn clock in the 2nd half, because they often seemed like they weren't even seriously TRYING to score. If so, I think it backfired because they simply aren't competent enough to mentally switch from "burn clock" mode to "try to score" mode in mid-possession. Maybe the lesson is that you can't afford to get cute and compromise your focus when you are the #321 offense in the country
I'll tell you how that team and really anyone in the MAC beats anybody in the MAC - the MAC is AWFUL.
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Post by redbirdman on Feb 24, 2020 12:04:58 GMT -6
Sherm I agree on Murphy's coaching definitely worst in MAC West. He is however able to recruit & to have had Thompson & Toure 2 big men in the past 5 yrs shocks me. I think Montgomery at Niu is nearly as bad as Murphy although for the past 4 yrs he lets German run the show. He may even get an extension if he wins the MAC West. Those are coaches that make Whit look better.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2020 12:38:29 GMT -6
You know, before the game, I looked at that streak and thought "Uh-oh". Then after the game I thought, "How does that team beat anybody?" I'll tell you how that team and really anyone in the MAC beats anybody in the MAC - the MAC is AWFUL. It is not. If the power ratings based on a pretty big statistical base have any validity that is not true.
We are in the middle somewhere of all college basketball, but that is not AWFUL. Most MAC teams are strong enough to be nearly a toss up in a game against the top teams in the conference on their home court. That is parity. Look at Sagaring ratings. The median team in college basketball is rated at 72. There are 100 teams within a 3 point basket of the middle. Of 350+ D1 teams we have only 2 of the conference teams in the bottom 1/3, barely, both rated above 250 out of 350+.
I am sure IU or Purdue fans consider the MAC awful. But much of that is P5 hubris. Even then the P5 ignore that a few teams in every P5 conference are AWFUL by that same definition of AWFUL you are using, and they ignore it when forced by conference schedule to play the "AWFUL" teams on their court and then lose.
The conference is about as strong as normal this year. Maybe a little down from a really good year including last year. A lot of that is being without a real power who stands out.
The East if considered a separate conference is in the top 1/3 of all conferences and the West at the middle of the rankings.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 24, 2020 13:00:08 GMT -6
I don’t care what the numbers say, my eyes tell me the MAC is not good this year. Lots of poor fundamentals and inability to put the ball in the hoop. some really ugly basketball. Winning a division with like 8 losses doesn’t scream quality to me. Parity just means all the East teams are similarly mediocre. Niu might win the division solely because of one player. Yuck.
I have been impressed with BG. WIth Turner they have the kind of guard play you want. It’s hard to project the MAC champ being anything but 1 and done and I’m not sure we’ll get any teams in the NIT. But, we will see.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Feb 24, 2020 13:15:48 GMT -6
Sherm I agree on Murphy's coaching definitely worst in MAC West. He is however able to recruit & to have had Thompson & Toure 2 big men in the past 5 yrs shocks me. I think Montgomery at Niu is nearly as bad as Murphy although for the past 4 yrs he lets German run the show. He may even get an extension if he wins the MAC West. Those are coaches that make Whit look better. I feel like Rob Murphy is the Jason Garrett of MAC basketball. Teams have potential. Has ok year. Just good enough to stick around. I would love for Whitford to have near the success recruiting wise that Murphy has.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 24, 2020 13:34:30 GMT -6
Murphy gets bigs that Whitford just doesn’t.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 24, 2020 14:02:06 GMT -6
Murphy is a strange case. He pulls off the single most difficult thing necessary for mid-major success, but screws up the easier things. In Michigan alone there has to be 25+ HS senior perimeter players every year better than the ones he was using.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 14:41:12 GMT -6
I don’t care what the numbers say, my eyes tell me the MAC is not good this year. Lots of poor fundamentals and inability to put the ball in the hoop. some really ugly basketball. Winning a division with like 8 losses doesn’t scream quality to me. Parity just means all the East teams are similarly mediocre. Niu might win the division solely because of one player. Yuck. 00hmh is correct. The polls show the MAC as a “middlin” conference and I cannot correlate that rating with what I see on televised games of the MAC and the other conferences. Honestly, MAC basketball is borderline unwatchable if you don’t have a rooting interest in the outcome. I can only assume that the gap between the major conferences and the rest has widened significantly and the rating algorithms haven’t caught up with that. The MAC might be obtaining way too much credit for out of conference wins against other mid majors AND/OR the bottom dwelling conferences have also significantly digressed from the middlin conferences.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2020 15:07:09 GMT -6
I don’t care what the numbers say, my eyes tell me the MAC is not good this year. Lots of poor fundamentals and inability to put the ball in the hoop. some really ugly basketball. Winning a division with like 8 losses doesn’t scream quality to me. Parity just means all the East teams are similarly mediocre. Niu might win the division solely because of one player. Yuck. I can only assume that the gap between the major conferences and the rest has widened significantly and the rating algorithms haven’t caught up with that. The MAC might be obtaining way too much credit for out of conference wins against other mid majors AND/OR the bottom dwelling conferences have also significantly digressed from the middlin conferences. I don't think so. The games are relatively even and competitive. Maybe it is ugly basketball, but might just look uglier because of that. Conference season is pretty unpredictable and hard fought as a result.
I have seen some pretty ugly games in the B10 this year and it may have 10 teams in the dance. Not the same level, well above MAC, but very competitive and the games look ugly as a result.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 24, 2020 15:12:16 GMT -6
So, I did go to the game. However I found that my attention was more engaged in talking to my old buddies (who I don't see that often) rather than by the pointless, mediocre mid-major game on the floor. Welcome to the good bad and ugly of BSU sports. All in one, and the same thing. Hail to our reality. And there you go making a case for it, paying for a cheap ticket and enjoying the game despite it all.
Anything else defies what most college sports fans would say is the definition of mid major sports.
Calhoun posted a defense of it above. A mid major has to be excused more than a little pointless and mediocre.
What did I do? what did i defend?
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2020 15:30:44 GMT -6
What did I do? what did i defend?
I was impressed with what you said there and what General said above about his old friends who show up at games, it is about how we are connected to BSU sports through people and interactions and memories created. Not just the memory of results, although we all value those. And want to make some more.
You may make tarheel a liar, he opined you were lucid when writing the post.
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