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Post by coastalcard on Nov 26, 2023 17:56:11 GMT -6
Looking at what I deemed the “attendance” sports, I calculated a winning % for each sport over the last 10 years.
I pulled out the Covid year for each sport to be consistent.
soccer. .661
Mvolleyball .654
Wvolleyball .633
baseball. .627
Wbasketball .587
softball. .571
Mbasketball .491
football. .387
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 26, 2023 18:27:52 GMT -6
Looking at what I deemed the “attendance” sports, I calculated a winning % for each sport over the last 10 years. I pulled out the Covid year for each sport to be consistent. soccer. .661 Mvolleyball .654 Wvolleyball .633 baseball. .627 Wbasketball .587 softball. .571 Mbasketball .491 football. .387 If you’re up for more math I’d be curious what the percentages of attendance are there. Like what percent of total attendance do football and mbball make up? |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 26, 2023 20:30:16 GMT -6
Looking at what I deemed the “attendance” sports, I calculated a winning % for each sport over the last 10 years. I pulled out the Covid year for each sport to be consistent. soccer. .661 Mvolleyball .654 Wvolleyball .633 baseball. .627 Wbasketball .587 softball. .571 Mbasketball .491 football. .387 If you’re up for more math I’d be curious what the percentages of attendance are there. Like what percent of total attendance do football and mbball make up? Probably 95% |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 26, 2023 20:31:02 GMT -6
Looking at what I deemed the “attendance” sports, I calculated a winning % for each sport over the last 10 years. I pulled out the Covid year for each sport to be consistent. soccer. .661 Mvolleyball .654 Wvolleyball .633 baseball. .627 Wbasketball .587 softball. .571 Mbasketball .491 football. .387 Yet we want to keep the football coach…. |
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 26, 2023 21:19:54 GMT -6
You, my friend, can ALWAYS connect the dots.
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Post by bsutony on Nov 27, 2023 7:55:24 GMT -6
What is it with the Covid year? Still bad for football, so you didn't have to leave it out to make your point.
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 27, 2023 8:03:24 GMT -6
COVID year was a "fractional schedule" that disproportionately had games against non-conference opponents and was not felt equally by all sports because of when it was implemented.
Even though it threw out the 7-1 football year, it did not impact the football % much because it replaced it with the 10-3 "miracle on turf" year of 2012
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2023 9:34:39 GMT -6
Looking at what I deemed the “attendance” sports, I calculated a winning % for each sport over the last 10 years. I pulled out the Covid year for each sport to be consistent. Yet we want to keep the football coach…. Of course there is also another thing.
Do you spend scarce resources to improve the sport we have the most trouble in when it is the most expensive to improve?
Good argument to put money into what we are good at and have the best chance for the least money to improve. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 27, 2023 10:04:14 GMT -6
Yet we want to keep the football coach…. Of course there is also another thing.
Do you spend scarce resources to improve the sport we have the most trouble in when it is the most expensive to improve?
Good argument to put money into what we are good at and have the best chance for the least money to improve. IMO the money should now go much more toward MBB/Baseball/WBB/Volleyball. Sports we can regularly compete for the top in and can do it much more "cheaply" than football. I love college football, but it's pretty damn clear the MAC cannot continue on the emphasis on football path. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2023 10:38:23 GMT -6
Only a few programs in the MAC can really afford it.. A few with better revenue prospects, more or bigger donors or donor base.
Even those programs need to have better TV package and somehow keep money games as the P4 reorganizes. Which I think will reduce those opportunities.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 27, 2023 11:40:55 GMT -6
And yet Delaware is moving up to FBS, joining Sam Houston State, James Madison, Jacksonville State (this year), and Kennesaw State (2024). 10 more may join in the next couple of years as an entire new conference: Stephen F. Austin, Abilene Christian, Utah Tech, Southern Utah, Tarleton State, Austin Peay, Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas, and North Alabama. link EDIT: Upon further review, it appears these schools from the ASUN and WAC have rebranded as the "United Athletic Conference". But they've been denied a waiver to join FBS as a single sport conference by the NCAA. How do these school think they're going to compete? |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 27, 2023 13:36:20 GMT -6
And yet Delaware is moving up to FBS, joining Sam Houston State, James Madison, Jacksonville State (this year), and Kennesaw State (2024). 10 more may join in the next couple of years as an entire new conference: Stephen F. Austin, Abilene Christian, Utah Tech, Southern Utah, Tarleton State, Austin Peay, Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas, and North Alabama. link EDIT: Upon further review, it appears these schools from the ASUN and WAC have rebranded as the "United Athletic Conference". But they've been denied a waiver to join FBS as a single sport conference by the NCAA. How do these school think they're going to compete? Where is the money coming from? Do those schools BOTS know how much money it’s gonna cost? |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2023 18:30:56 GMT -6
Somebody has money lined up.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 30, 2023 10:32:50 GMT -6
Another interesting comparison would be the student fees necessary to cover program losses, divided by total home attendance.
As with most sleazy scams, transparency is the enemy, and so it's not particularly easy to find the figures necessary for this calculation.
With football, for example, I don't believe the official attendance figures are at all reliable. But if we use a total home attendance of 40,000, and use the round figure of $10 million deficit every year (probably understated), we find that students pay $250 for every person attending a BSU football game. That's in the ballpark anyway.
As we know, some of these programs have miniscule attendance, limited to basically friends and family, but they have much smaller expenses than football. So it's not clear how the comparison would go.
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Post by villagepub on Nov 30, 2023 11:12:58 GMT -6
Another interesting comparison would be the student fees necessary to cover program losses, divided by total home attendance. As with most sleazy scams, transparency is the enemy, and so it's not particularly easy to find the figures necessary for this calculation. With football, for example, I don't believe the official attendance figures are at all reliable. But if we use a total home attendance of 40,000, and use the round figure of $10 million deficit every year (probably understated), we find that students pay $250 for every person attending a BSU football game. That's in the ballpark anyway. As we know, some of these programs have miniscule attendance, limited to basically friends and family, but they have much smaller expenses than football. So it's not clear how the comparison would go. Show the numbers. and show your work for each sport supplemented by student fees. |
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