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Post by 00hmh on Mar 21, 2016 11:45:48 GMT -6
you could fund the football program for the next fifteen years with the funds that were flushed down the toilet on the geothermal boondoggle. You took on a lot of sacred cows there! That 80 mil for the geothermal might cover football for 15 years at first glance, but probably not. It costs less than that to fund football operations(maybe, slightly), but only by ignoring much of the facility costs, and who knows how much of a money pit football could be over the next 15 years. That is the rub with football, it has little revenue and the gains are not very clear. ANY heating plant has at some value. The geothermal could also be a money pit, but it actually does provide some heat... Even if it is a bad investment, it does probably save some money we don't spend on coal and renovation of that old coal plant and distribution system. So not a total lost investment. Especially since some of the cost of the project is the distribution of energy rather than generating the heat, and we would have had to do something with all those old steam pipes anyway... Any heating that is done serves a rather larger number of people than does the football investment, too. I am not arguing with you that it may be a PR driven project that is a huge gamble, rather than the most efficient way to heat and cool, but our aged system did need some major investment to replace, and we have to compare the net gain or loss from the two investments. Anyway, I doubt it is 15 years of football, exactly. If you are right about it and it fails to work at any point in that time frame and we have to rebuild it or replace it, then football might indeed look like a bargain.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 21, 2016 12:53:07 GMT -6
Actually I did assume you were a football supporter. My bad. Although in my defense, the fact that you overlooked the cost of the CIT as a downside (to weigh against the positives) did sort of make you seem to have a mindset like a football supporter.
As far as the geothermal thing...that was hugely successful. First of all anything that can be called "green" in any way is AUTOMATICALLY 100% ALWAYS GOOD. And don't you forget it. Only terrible people ever question any "green" initiative.
Secondly, how much were Gora and the other decision makers involved wined and dined by sales reps, contractors and other related interests in their pursuit all those million $ capital expenditures? A lot I'm sure. Also, how much was Gora able to bask in the usual media praise for anything "green"? There was a lot of that too, as I remember. So, in other words, the project was a tremendous success in its main purposes. Furthermore, a lot of that magic "green" feel-good pixie dust floated around and landed on all the dipshits around campus who are into that sort of thing. What's a few tens of millions of taxpayer dollars compared to all these wonderful benefits?
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Post by BSSN on Mar 21, 2016 14:30:36 GMT -6
Benefits include buildings that are sweltering in the summer, freezing in the winter, thermostats that don't have any effect at all on the temperature, leaking coolant, high humidity, and shoddy workmanship with missed deadlines.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 21, 2016 14:36:17 GMT -6
But,but, just next year it will all be just fine...
It's a long standing BSU policy that building temp is perfect for whatever the weather was like 2 days ago. This a very logical outgrowth of that.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 21, 2016 14:41:04 GMT -6
I was told the system doesn't really even work. Huge waste.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:43:29 GMT -6
Make it a giant leeching field and connect it to waste facilities........everything in the immediate area would remain GREEN during the most severe droughts.....
Let the women resume field hockey again.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 21, 2016 16:03:28 GMT -6
I was told the system doesn't really even work. Huge waste. Being completely fair it works sometimes. But BSSN is right, there have been problems and delays and it is optimistic to think it will go smoothly and always reliably. There is sunk cost here, but it probably works well enough, however badly, that it is too expensive to stop and replace now. I'd guess it works just well enough to mean we are probably going to have it for a long time. Best case is the problems get solved at a relatively low cost and it is a good system. Worst case it is about as cranky as an old building's old fashioned inefficient system. That is basically what we had. So we may have paid a lot for essentially no or small improvement, except we got a system that had a longer lifetime than the creaky old system which after the fire at the heating plant and with the old distribution system needed replacement at a fairly high cost whatever way we went. Think of it as hiring a football coach for really big money to get us into the B10, and then getting NOT a total disaster but a relatively young PR friendly coach who brought us modest success for big bucks, had a 20 year contract and was too expensive to replace since we would have to pay him off for not working. Not a pretty picture, unless the miracle actually is pulled off, and the plan works.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 21, 2016 16:40:28 GMT -6
It's awesome to spend the amount of jack we did on something that works 'sometimes'
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 21, 2016 16:42:01 GMT -6
isn't it great!
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Post by cardfan on Mar 21, 2016 16:56:55 GMT -6
It's the best!
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Post by universityjim on Mar 21, 2016 18:53:15 GMT -6
Is that why Worthen Arena is usually too warm?
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Post by cardfan on Mar 21, 2016 18:57:13 GMT -6
It was roasting during the Miami game
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Post by BSSN on Mar 21, 2016 19:17:33 GMT -6
Pretty warm Sunday night too.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 21, 2016 19:21:32 GMT -6
The building I work in is different every day. You never know what temp you'll be trying to adjust to all the time.
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Post by cedarpointer on Mar 21, 2016 19:41:16 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that.
Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney.
Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning!
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