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Post by BSSN on Mar 21, 2016 20:22:04 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that. Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney. Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning! I'd rather get a 10 seed or so in the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by dmbdan41 on Mar 21, 2016 20:32:15 GMT -6
The building I work in is different every day. You never know what temp you'll be trying to adjust to all the time. The library is pretty consistent. If the weather is unseasonable in either direction you're gonna feel it in here, last week when it was 70, down here it was about 80. Otherwise though, it's really not bad.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 21, 2016 20:49:13 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that. Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney. Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning! I'd rather get a 10 seed or so in the NCAA Tournament. Good point, but that would be what, maybe about 1 MAC team every 10 years? Well, that is if they don't lose in the conference tourney...and drop to a 13,14 seed.
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Post by swenocha on Mar 21, 2016 22:34:35 GMT -6
Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. MTSU says hello...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 7:43:38 GMT -6
"ANY heating plant has at some value. "
Yeah I know, but I am talking about the difference in cost between the geothermal and boiler options. With Natural Gas at its current 1.85 it will take almost 200 years for this option to pay off, and that's assuming no maintenance costs.
Please don't even call this an investment..................
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 7:49:44 GMT -6
Actually I did assume you were a football supporter. My bad. Although in my defense, the fact that you overlooked the cost of the CIT as a downside (to weigh against the positives) did sort of make you seem to have a mindset like a football supporter.
As far as the geothermal thing...that was hugely successful. First of all anything that can be called "green" in any way is AUTOMATICALLY 100% ALWAYS GOOD. And don't you forget it. Only terrible people ever question any "green" initiative.
Secondly, how much were Gora and the other decision makers involved wined and dined by sales reps, contractors and other related interests in their pursuit all those million $ capital expenditures? A lot I'm sure. Also, how much was Gora able to bask in the usual media praise for anything "green"? There was a lot of that too, as I remember. So, in other words, the project was a tremendous success in its main purposes. Furthermore, a lot of that magic "green" feel-good pixie dust floated around and landed on all the dipshits around campus who are into that sort of thing. What's a few tens of millions of taxpayer dollars compared to all these wonderful benefits?
Yup, that about sums it all up. I remember Gora bragging "it's the largest geothermal project of its kind" of course because no one with an ounce of commonsense would ever choose this option. However I'll bet Hollis Hughes thought it was a great idea as well.
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Post by cardsfan606 on Mar 22, 2016 7:56:01 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that. Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney. Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning! I'd rather get a 10 seed or so in the NCAA Tournament. ya don't say
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 8:57:58 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that. Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney. Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning! Based on the last couple of decades, we have been targeting this very strategy. We have finally deployed our plan successfully!
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 22, 2016 9:18:29 GMT -6
Well if that's your personal preference, then fine, but I think you're nuts. There is absolutely no comparison between the excitement of the NCAA tourney and the CIT. Nor is there any comparison to what it means to the strength and health of the program. Do I even need to explain all the reasons why? It seems too obvious to bother.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 22, 2016 9:22:16 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that. Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney. Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning! While I am enjoying this post-season so far, the problem with a consistent presence in the CIT/CBI is that it is pay to play. CIT I think you have to have a winning record, but some of the CBI teams have horrible records. I'm ok with the occasional CIT/CBI participation, but we should not be doing it consistently.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 22, 2016 10:51:17 GMT -6
"ANY heating plant has at some value. " Yeah I know, but I am talking about the difference in cost between the geothermal and boiler options. With Natural Gas at its current 1.85 it will take almost 200 years for this option to pay off, and that's assuming no maintenance costs. Please don't even call this an investment.................. Whatever the price of gas, we would have needed to spend a lot to convert to new natural gas facility. You have to compare the two sets of cash flows. Both have a heavy start up cost, this one greater. "Free" geothermal gets an edge over natural gas after that. But the kicker is whether this will work long term and what the maintenance and repair will be. Gas is a well understood method, this much less well understood. Factoring in uncertainty about gas prices and interest rates on the initial construction expense makes it tough to be definitive either way. The only thing we know for sure now is once we put the money into this project we are probably stuck with it. Scrapping it and starting over is not an option unless it really blows up in our face.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 22, 2016 11:06:12 GMT -6
Well, I like the CIT format. Its interesting to see how things get matched up. I am not going to argue dollar for dollar on this stuff because there is no point. I am enjoying the post season play and will leave it at that. Honestly, I would rather have a consistant presence in a CIT/CBI and even win some of these than getting a 15 seed in the NCAA and get crushed in the first round. I actually see less of a point of doing that vs going deep into these smaller tournaments. FWIW, we are getting mentions in Indy star, and some of the people I work with (BSU and non BSU fans/alums) know BSU is playing in this tourney. Spring basketball is fun. And I hope BSU keeps winning! While I am enjoying this post-season so far, the problem with a consistent presence in the CIT/CBI is that it is pay to play. CIT I think you have to have a winning record, but some of the CBI teams have horrible records. I'm ok with the occasional CIT/CBI participation, but we should not be doing it consistently. If our worst years in the future are CBI/CIT that is OK, but we want on a bigger stage. Surely the goal ought to be a good chance for the NCAA, and if we don't make it, a regular participation in the NIT in other years, both pay off in better national attention and have more subsidy. Playing on the road in this thing is not that expensive, though. If we have to pay for one home game and lose money, net loss of maybe 15-25K, we have probably got enough out of it in good will and other gain to justify it. If we win and host the final and semi like Evansville did last year, we might even draw a decent crowd and given TV money for it probably break even for the tournament.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 22, 2016 11:13:26 GMT -6
Based on the last couple of decades, we have been targeting this very strategy. We have finally deployed our plan successfully! It just seems like a couple of decades since we were able to do more.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 22, 2016 11:30:33 GMT -6
While I am enjoying this post-season so far, the problem with a consistent presence in the CIT/CBI is that it is pay to play. CIT I think you have to have a winning record, but some of the CBI teams have horrible records. I'm ok with the occasional CIT/CBI participation, but we should not be doing it consistently. If our worst years in the future are CBI/CIT that is OK, but we want on a bigger stage. Surely the goal ought to be a good chance for the NCAA, and if we don't make it, a regular participation in the NIT in other years, both pay off in better national attention and have more subsidy. Playing on the road in this thing is not that expensive, though. If we have to pay for one home game and lose money, net loss of maybe 15-25K, we have probably got enough out of it in good will and other gain to justify it. If we win and host the final and semi like Evansville did last year, we might even draw a decent crowd and given TV money for it probably break even for the tournament. I almost edited to clarify, and I guess I should have. My problem isn't that we have to pay to play, it's that pretty much anyone willing to pay gets to play. There's no selectivity involved. Cedar said he wanted us to be consistent CBI/CIT performers as though that indicates a level of success. All it indicates is a willingness to write the checks. That's the real reason I don't want CBI/CIT to be consistent. If we can't make the NCAA the only other consistent tournament we should aim for the NIT.
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 22, 2016 11:36:18 GMT -6
Even the most optimistic in my view want in the " Dance "...and there is only one dance!! However, I think that every practice, every shoot around, and post season game played will only help to raise our stock next year as well as with recruits...remember, some good transfers are coming!!
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