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Post by 00hmh on Jun 21, 2017 12:44:14 GMT -6
I think taking Love for PG is a bad move unless they can flip him for draft picks. It makes them slightly worse but still good enough to contend for a low seed in the playoffs which they've been doing for a couple of years anyway. You either get better or get worse, not stay the same. Blow it all up baby. I agree he is not the answer. You are right to think flipping him is the way to go, but I think his contract goes to 2019, so they could use him as a rental to start the season, and then trade him during the stretch run to a contender who needs that one key piece of the puzzle, at least have some arbitrage pricing advantage. Better to have him than PG, even if you keep him around a while because you have two years to play with his value, should get more out of him total. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 20:03:54 GMT -6
Pacers select a game changer. Send these season tricky requests as soon as you can.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 23, 2017 7:52:38 GMT -6
Yeah, sure. Come back to me in 2 years with that ticket package.
That said, I like selecting Leaf. At this point a skilled player who is not a really great athlete. Just good, this is a player more likely to be a long time NBA player, than be a PG type star. Leaf is good pick, good scorer, rebounder, average or below defender, no big weaknesses.
The other two picks may end up being bigger value relative to draft position. Both have excellent first round athleticism, but accompanied by question marks due to injury and offensive limitations needing a lot of work, pushing them down to 2nd round due to the risk.
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Jun 23, 2017 9:41:56 GMT -6
Yeah, sure. Come back to me in 2 years with that ticket package. That said, I like selecting Leaf. At this point a skilled player who is not a really great athlete. Just good, this is a player more likely to be a long time NBA player, than be a PG type star. Leaf is good pick, good scorer, rebounder, average or below defender, no big weaknesses. The other two picks may end up being bigger value relative to draft position. Both have excellent first round athleticism, but accompanied by question marks due to injury and offensive limitations needing a lot of work, pushing them down to 2nd round due to the risk. I really like Edmond Sumner. He was the straw that stirred the drink for X. The team really fell apart when he went down. I'm hoping his talents translate well to the NBA. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 30, 2017 21:07:24 GMT -6
What?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:54:01 GMT -6
I guess the Pacer front office misunderstood the terms of the deal. There never WERE any scratch-off tickets offered up by the Thunder.
Playoffs?! Did you say PLAYOFFS?!
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Post by cardfan on Jul 1, 2017 12:59:02 GMT -6
What a horrible trade. The Pacers clown show continues.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 1, 2017 13:28:20 GMT -6
They are pretty universally panned for the trade. Have not seen a story saying it was reasonable. Based on what they could have had, the new guy did better than Larry Bird. That was the time they had a great offer.
It is not clear how much Ainge was really offering at the end. The press seems to think that trading to the Western Conference was worth giving up something more they would have had from Boston, and the Pacer brain(?) trust seems to like both players they got. I wonder if Bird had a hand in it. The big guy was a good passing big man in college, I could see him liking that. Olapido should be a fan favorite. I get that, but where was the future draft choice?
I guess it is better than nothing, and if both players become solid starters, we can't really say it is a disaster until we see a year or two, they seem to be looking at rebuild.
The new guy is known to be a good one at putting together a draft and trades. His draft was pretty good, this trade is maybe a case of their getting screwed no matter what they did, but at best a mediocre showing.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Jul 1, 2017 20:34:24 GMT -6
Who cares, George was leaving after next season regardless and no one is giving up anything of value for a one year rental. The Pacers need to be building for 5-10 years from now, when Lebron has either grown too old or moved to the West and Golden State either breaks up or declines. Anything before then is pointless.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 1, 2017 22:54:22 GMT -6
Hard to say Pacers and plan in one sentence, but that may be what they have to do.
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Post by gocardsgo on Jul 2, 2017 5:04:56 GMT -6
The problem with the rebuild/build for the future notion is the owner. From everything I've read and heard from people who know the front office and know what Simon wants, he refuses to tank and refuses to allow the GM to "aim" for high lottery picks. Apparently, in Simon's mind a 41-41 record, 8th seed in the playoffs, and first round exit year after year is better than being bad for a few years in an attempt to build for something great.
That's going to make it damn near impossible to build a championship-type team, unless you get lucky and draft a guy who turns out to be "2-34" (PG-13's new nickname) with the 18th pick in the draft every year. Free agents are knocking down the door to come play in Indy so your only hope is to build through the draft, and how many mid-first round picks have led their teams to championships?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 8:08:53 GMT -6
Rather than hear PG talk about leaving for LA or Boston for the next 12 months, the Pacers sent him to a place far worse than Indianapolis.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Jul 2, 2017 20:28:46 GMT -6
The problem with the rebuild/build for the future notion is the owner. From everything I've read and heard from people who know the front office and know what Simon wants, he refuses to tank and refuses to allow the GM to "aim" for high lottery picks. Apparently, in Simon's mind a 41-41 record, 8th seed in the playoffs, and first round exit year after year is better than being bad for a few years in an attempt to build for something great. That's going to make it damn near impossible to build a championship-type team, unless you get lucky and draft a guy who turns out to be "2-34" (PG-13's new nickname) with the 18th pick in the draft every year. Free agents are knocking down the door to come play in Indy so your only hope is to build through the draft, and how many mid-first round picks have led their teams to championships? They're scared to death of losing the fanbase. Attendance was near the bottom of the league in the post-brawl seasons, and the Pacers were very close to leaving Indy. I guess they figure being a fringe playoff team every year is going to sell enough tickets, but apathy over a team with little upside will do far more damage. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 2, 2017 21:01:33 GMT -6
Hard to sell season tickets for a team tanking.
They can get away doing it at end of a year. Bird blew it this year when his plan failed, and he didn't deal at trade deadline.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 9:51:07 GMT -6
Yeah, sure. Come back to me in 2 years with that ticket package. That said, I like selecting Leaf. At this point a skilled player who is not a really great athlete. Just good, this is a player more likely to be a long time NBA player, than be a PG type star. Leaf is good pick, good scorer, rebounder, average or below defender, no big weaknesses. The other two picks may end up being bigger value relative to draft position. Both have excellent first round athleticism, but accompanied by question marks due to injury and offensive limitations needing a lot of work, pushing them down to 2nd round due to the risk. I really like Edmond Sumner. He was the straw that stirred the drink for X. The team really fell apart when he went down. I'm hoping his talents translate well to the NBA. What ? He averaged 2.8 turnovers and and 4 assists. Good athlete but he isn't someone X isn't going to replace. |
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