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Post by 00hmh on Jul 5, 2017 16:13:59 GMT -6
I don't see any small market team in the NBA finals in the next 5 years.
I'd say odds of that are now about 1 in 20 any given year.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Jul 7, 2017 13:04:08 GMT -6
I think from the perspective of NBA players, they look at Indianapolis as a medium-sized city in a backwards state full of people who live about 20 years behind the rest of the world. This state loves its basketball, but many of the people here are just picky and obtuse about it. The NBA is far too progressive for them. Too fast, too much skill, too much scoring "because no one plays defense." There are seriously people who would rather watch a poorly-played high school game ending with a score of 36-33 than a well-played NBA game with a score of 105-100. They're always complaining about how NBA players don't have the right intangibles or do the little things that don't show up in the box score, but go to any 1A or 2A high school game and you'll be amazed at how so many players are so limited in what they can do.
Indiana in general is also known for having a large inferiority complex. There's nothing glamorous or special about living here. It's flyover territory. This attitude permeates its residents, who have convinced themselves that nothing good will ever come from here or things will never be like they used to. You're always going to hear Colts fans yearning for the Peyton Manning era. IU basketball fans are always wishing it was 1987. Notre Dame football fans will continue to scream "tradition!" every time someone asks why they aren't in a conference. Purdue football fans are always missing Drew Brees.
The Pacers stink right now and will for awhile, but it hasn't always been this way. The mid to late 90's Pacer teams were awesome and probably would have won a title if Jordan hadn't quit baseball. I loved watching the pre-brawl Pacers, and I honestly haven't felt the same level of attachment to any team they've had since (whoops, there I go, yearning for the past).
I wish the Pacers were more successful and had a plan that wasn't trying to not miss the playoffs every year, but this is what they are now. Maybe in a few years it will change. You hear that, Indiana? CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 16:45:08 GMT -6
I think from the perspective of NBA players, they look at Indianapolis as a medium-sized city in a backwards state full of people who live about 20 years behind the rest of the world. This state loves its basketball, but many of the people here are just picky and obtuse about it. The NBA is far too progressive for them. Too fast, too much skill, too much scoring "because no one plays defense." There are seriously people who would rather watch a poorly-played high school game ending with a score of 36-33 than a well-played NBA game with a score of 105-100. They're always complaining about how NBA players don't have the right intangibles or do the little things that don't show up in the box score, but go to any 1A or 2A high school game and you'll be amazed at how so many players are so limited in what they can do. Indiana in general is also known for having a large inferiority complex. There's nothing glamorous or special about living here. It's flyover territory. This attitude permeates its residents, who have convinced themselves that nothing good will ever come from here or things will never be like they used to. You're always going to hear Colts fans yearning for the Peyton Manning era. IU basketball fans are always wishing it was 1987. Notre Dame football fans will continue to scream "tradition!" every time someone asks why they aren't in a conference. Purdue football fans are always missing Drew Brees. The Pacers stink right now and will for awhile, but it hasn't always been this way. The mid to late 90's Pacer teams were awesome and probably would have won a title if Jordan hadn't quit baseball. I loved watching the pre-brawl Pacers, and I honestly haven't felt the same level of attachment to any team they've had since (whoops, there I go, yearning for the past). I wish the Pacers were more successful and had a plan that wasn't trying to not miss the playoffs every year, but this is what they are now. Maybe in a few years it will change. You hear that, Indiana? CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE!!! Yeah the city of Cleveland and the state of Ohio have it all going on. Sheeesh...... |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 7, 2017 18:26:22 GMT -6
Ohio has 3 cities that support professional sports, counting tOSU.
NOT viewed nationally as being backward so much. Just middle America.
Cleveland has been loser, a long history of disappointment with their sports teams.
Then LeBron comes along, leaves, returns, WINS.
It is a sad story.
But. Cleveland as a result is probably more attractive to an NBA player...and is a more valuable franchise.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Jul 7, 2017 18:35:27 GMT -6
I was old enough to remember the days of Granville Waiters and Jerry Sichting and 4 20-win seasons in a row. I'll live through this.
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 7, 2017 18:44:02 GMT -6
I agree with Halftime! Why would anyone want to live on the mistake by the lake over Indy?
Higher crime?
Better weather?
MAC tournament?
More affordable?
More to do in the city?
Cleveland sucks!
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Post by frozenbaugh on Jul 7, 2017 19:29:01 GMT -6
Ohio has 3 cities that support professional sports, counting tOSU. NOT viewed nationally as being backward so much. Just middle America. Cleveland has been loser, a long history of disappointment with their sports teams. Then LeBron comes along, leaves, returns, WINS. It is a sad story. But. Cleveland as a result is probably more attractive to an NBA player...and is a more valuable franchise. Total conjecture on your part. NBA players/free agents were really flocking to C-town back in 2010 (the year LBJ left) when they went 19-63 or 21-45 in 2011 or 24-58 in 2012.
In 2010, their free agents were Joey Graham, Samardo Samuels, Manny Harris and Alonzo Gee. In 2011, their free agents were Ben Uzoh and Manny Harris.
Point being, that after LeBron left, it became a city NO ONE want to go to and will become one again when LBJ leaves.
You can have the last word because I know you will.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 7, 2017 19:40:27 GMT -6
What is your point?
I think I said LeBron made the difference and Ohio is better off than Indy, a larger market. Both simply true.
Look at the Forbes link above and you see they are not one of the franchises in the top tier, but more valuable than the Pacers.. LeBron made than much difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 5:39:02 GMT -6
Ohio has 3 cities that support professional sports, counting tOSU. NOT viewed nationally as being backward so much. Just middle America. Cleveland has been loser, a long history of disappointment with their sports teams. Then LeBron comes along, leaves, returns, WINS. It is a sad story. But. Cleveland as a result is probably more attractive to an NBA player...and is a more valuable franchise. Indiana is only viewed as backwards by left wing ass-clowns like yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 5:41:56 GMT -6
Ohio has 3 cities that support professional sports, counting tOSU. NOT viewed nationally as being backward so much. Just middle America. Cleveland has been loser, a long history of disappointment with their sports teams. Then LeBron comes along, leaves, returns, WINS. It is a sad story. But. Cleveland as a result is probably more attractive to an NBA player...and is a more valuable franchise. Indiana is only viewed as backwards by left wing ass-clowns like yourself. Using your inane reasoning the Knicks would be a dynasty. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 8, 2017 11:18:17 GMT -6
Cleveland has been loser, a long history of disappointment with their sports teams. Then LeBron comes along, leaves, returns, WINS. It is a sad story. But. Cleveland as a result is probably more attractive to an NBA player...and is a more valuable franchise. Indiana is only viewed as backwards by left wing ass-clowns like yourself. I didn't offer an opinion on backwards, but did offer up that Ohio has a better national reputation on the backwards scale however it is created. But I do partially agree with 2012Cardinal, that reputation counts and is negative. The General points out that Indianapolis, and I think Indiana generally is not going to be very attractive to the young men in the NBA, perhaps not the same backwards factor, except in terms of social life, reputation about that, and probably diversity. I think it is income potential and economics too. But. All that said, I fear MANY people, not just a few liberals, do see Indiana as backward. And certainly Indiana is a conservative state, and conservative by definition is conserving the past and that runs the risk of seeming backwards. In some cases this a well deserved reputation, created by bonehead moves, for example, the religious liberty law passed and signed by Pence, and then hastily amended after the national reaction by the business community and national media. Not to mention the sports community, including NCAA, NBA, NFL et al. In some cases the reputation is completely undeserved overreach. Indiana is just not the rural, agricultural state it is often falsely seen to be, and has not been for a long time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 9:36:17 GMT -6
Indiana is only viewed as backwards by left wing ass-clowns like yourself. I didn't offer an opinion on backwards, but did offer up that Ohio has a better national reputation on the backwards scale however it is created. But I do partially agree with 2012Cardinal, that reputation counts and is negative. The General points out that Indianapolis, and I think Indiana generally is not going to be very attractive to the young men in the NBA, perhaps not the same backwards factor, except in terms of social life, reputation about that, and probably diversity. I think it is income potential and economics too. But. All that said, I fear MANY people, not just a few liberals, do see Indiana as backward. And certainly Indiana is a conservative state, and conservative by definition is conserving the past and that runs the risk of seeming backwards. In some cases this a well deserved reputation, created by bonehead moves, for example, the religious liberty law passed and signed by Pence, and then hastily amended after the national reaction by the business community and national media. Not to mention the sports community, including NCAA, NBA, NFL et al. In some cases the reputation is completely undeserved overreach. Indiana is just not the rural, agricultural state it is often falsely seen to be, and has not been for a long time. Oh please the religious liberty law, was at it's original inception, almost a boiler plate carbon copy of laws passed in many other states and signed by Democrat Governors. The uproar had nothing to do with the law itself, and you know it. It was just the usual knee jerk left-wing goofs pretending outrage and ginning up a controversy because a Republican signed it into law. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 9, 2017 11:03:20 GMT -6
But. All that said, I fear MANY people, not just a few liberals, do see Indiana as backward. And certainly Indiana is a conservative state, and conservative by definition is conserving the past and that runs the risk of seeming backwards. In some cases this a well deserved reputation, created by bonehead moves, for example, the religious liberty law passed and signed by Pence, and then hastily amended after the national reaction by the business community and national media. Not to mention the sports community, including NCAA, NBA, NFL et al. Oh please the religious liberty law, was at it's original inception, almost a boiler plate carbon copy of laws passed in many other states and signed by Democrat Governors. The uproar had nothing to do with the law itself, and you know it. It was just the usual knee jerk left-wing goofs pretending outrage and ginning up a controversy because a Republican signed it into law. In fact there are about 20 states with some legislation, plus court protection in 10 or so more states. MOST of those protections for religious liberty did not go as far as Indiana to threaten discrimination on grounds of gender. Indiana adopted language which was a clear threat to legalize discrimination, and to reduce protections existing in Indiana. This is partly because Indiana has no state law against discrimination on grounds of sexual preference. Cities had passed such law. Partly it was the overbroad and vague language. That this law was intended to preempt laws written in local communities is a real irony for someone who claims to be a conservative believing in local autonomy and small government. The state overrules local laws which communities wanted and which did provide anti-discrimination protection. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 15:31:20 GMT -6
Oh please the religious liberty law, was at it's original inception, almost a boiler plate carbon copy of laws passed in many other states and signed by Democrat Governors. The uproar had nothing to do with the law itself, and you know it. It was just the usual knee jerk left-wing goofs pretending outrage and ginning up a controversy because a Republican signed it into law. In fact there are about 20 states with some legislation, plus court protection in 10 or so more states. MOST of those protections for religious liberty did not go as far as Indiana to threaten discrimination on grounds of gender. Indiana adopted language which was a clear threat to legalize discrimination, and to reduce protections existing in Indiana. This is partly because Indiana has no state law against discrimination on grounds of sexual preference. Cities had passed such law. Partly it was the overbroad and vague language. That this law was intended to preempt laws written in local communities is a real irony for someone who claims to be a conservative believing in local autonomy and small government. The state overrules local laws which communities wanted and which did provide anti-discrimination protection. Oh please it wasn't intended to "preempt" anymore than any other state law or resolution, and there was no threat of discrimination based on "gender" or any other sub-group you wish to create. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 9, 2017 15:42:39 GMT -6
It clearly was intended to nullify laws passed in Bloomington, Lafayette, Indy, and other places.
It was a flawed law on many grounds, and gave a religious exemption for anyone who simply asserted he had a religious reason to disobey almost any law...
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