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Post by cardfan on Jul 10, 2017 10:47:10 GMT -6
BTW, those other states have protections for LGBT, mostly statewide. That makes a difference in impact. Not sure why the LGBT community needs protection. Each of us has to live with the consequences of the choices we make. Choices?  |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 10, 2017 10:54:34 GMT -6
Not sure why the LGBT community needs protection. Each of us has to live with the consequences of the choices we make. Choices? What's the question you're asking? |
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Post by cardfan on Jul 10, 2017 11:03:12 GMT -6
Choices? What's the question you're asking? I'm just curious as to what "choices" you're referring. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 10, 2017 12:09:54 GMT -6
You know. Deciding to get a tattoo on your face is a choice. Buying shoes instead of paying rent is a choice. Having sex with the same gender is a choice.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Jul 10, 2017 12:30:03 GMT -6
Anyone have a picture of Fonzi jumping over a shark?
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Post by cardfan on Jul 10, 2017 12:42:52 GMT -6
So we straight people choose every day to be straight, right? It's a concious choice. When you wake up each morning you think to yourself, should I have sex with the opposite or same sex today? Hmmmm, today I'll choose opposite sex. Tomorrow, who knows, maybe you'll choose to have sex with the same gender. I'll be gay today, and also get a tattoo, because they are the same kind of thing!! Or, would you make a "choice" that will cause some people to hate you, simply because of that? AND, they might want to be able to deny you service or fire you/not hire you because of that. And in come cultures/religions, I could be put to death for that "choice." Yeah, I'll make that choice instead today!!! Do you grapple with that "choice" all the time or are you just what you are, by nature and it never to occurred to you to be any other way? But yeah, you're right, being gay is just the same as getting a tattoo or buying shoes rather than paying rent. I think I'll go to Vegas and skip the car payment, AND, while I'm at it, I'll just be gay this month. Hell, I'll just be black too! They have it easy! No, how bout I be martian instead. That's way cooler. I'll be martian and not pay the gas bill. That's pretty much the same.
SMH. (being an asshole is definitely a choice, right?)
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 10, 2017 12:54:52 GMT -6
If you do not wish to socialize with someone who drinks or does not practice your religion, that is different from opening a business to the public and refusing to deal with someone because you believe their lifestyle violates your religious belief. I'd say generally that is "none of your business." And it is a matter of public concern. If I operate a tavern, and a child molester walks in the door, I have every right to tell him to move on and refuse service. I don't see any difference if it's based on religion or just a personal dislike. Or If I walk into a tavern that is frequented by a motorcycle gang and the owner tells me to hit the road he also has every right to do so. As I carefully said, generally someone's lifestyle is generally none of your business. To me these cases don't seem at all like the case we are talking about. You are in denial if you think this was just fringe liberal reaction. I reject your comparison of child molesters to the LGBT community. Getting back to the topic of the thread. If the state chose to not grant protection to the LGBT community and then to essentially forbid a city or town to do it, and if Indiana adopts the most broad and potentially extreme version of the RFRA, that is a choice where Indiana may deserve to be thought of as backward, or at the least they should expect the reaction they experienced from the business community nationally. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 10, 2017 12:56:27 GMT -6
Oh, the "born that way" argument. Utter nonsense.
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Post by cardfan on Jul 10, 2017 12:56:41 GMT -6
Anyone have a picture of Fonzi jumping over a shark?  Attachments:
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Post by cardfan on Jul 10, 2017 13:00:21 GMT -6
Oh, the "born that way" argument. Utter nonsense. Simple question, were you born straight or gay? At what age did you "choose" to be staight? Did you sample both genders before making your decision? Or, are you actually gay but chose to be straight because it's the easier path? Anyone can chose that. Or hell, you can beat the gay (or straight) out of someone, or electroshock, or reprogram them. Maybe you were once gay but got a good beating until you chose to be straight instead and just don't remember it. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 10, 2017 13:04:59 GMT -6
Oh, the "born that way" argument. Utter nonsense. Simple question, were you born straight or gay? At what age did you "choose" to be staight? Did you sample both genders before making your decision? I was simply born. Apparently, I learned to be straight. And no, I didn't "sample" both. Why would I want to try out equipment I already have? What purpose would it serve? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 10, 2017 13:07:28 GMT -6
Oh, the "born that way" argument. Utter nonsense. Simple question, were you born straight or gay? At what age did you "choose" to be staight? Did you sample both genders before making your decision? Or, are you actually gay but chose to be straight because it's the easier path? Anyone can chose that. Or hell, you can beat the gay (or straight) out of someone, or electroshock, or reprogram them. Maybe you were once gay but got a good beating until you chose to be straight instead and just don't remember it. You're not seriously going to try the "secretly gay" argument, are you? |
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Post by cardfan on Jul 10, 2017 13:26:34 GMT -6
No I'm not trying the secretly gay argument.
You were simply born. Exactly.
You "learned" to be straight. Ok. Your dad sit you down and teach you or something?
I grew up with a kid who was gay. He was severely troubled by it and tried to like girls. He tried to "learn" to be straight. Nothing in his environment growing up would have "taught" him to be gay (whatever that means). He wasn't around other gay people. He was just gay. When he came out he told his parents he knew something was different when he was 7. His dad disowned him. The guy tried therapy, church, etc. His mom set him up on dates with girls. This guy was miserable and ashamed. He didn't "want" to be gay but despite efforts to "choose" to be straight he just wasn't able. He hated himself to the point of turning to drugs. THAT was a choice. Eventually he began huffing paint (another choice). Finally at age 23 he got his dad's shotgun and blew his own head off. (Another choice). That gay part, no way in hell was it his choice. He lived a brief but very tortured life and spent about half of it trying to be something he was not.
So you can think how you do, I saw reality and that kid made no choice to be gay and didn't "learn it". No more than you "chose" or learned to be straight. You just are.
(Went to high school with a kid who ended up in a position in the Indiana GOP. Totally gay. You could see it day one. Again, didn't choose it. He told us there were many gays in the Republican Party. This was in the 80's. So the libs you hate don't have the market cornered on gay.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jul 10, 2017 13:30:23 GMT -6
I reject your comparison of child molesters to the LGBT community. Trying to get 00 to respond to your actual point instead of mischaracterizing what you said and signalling his virtue:  |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 10, 2017 13:43:55 GMT -6
I had a cousin with a similar story. Trying to come to grips with his sexuality, he turned to drugs and other self-destructive activities. Eventually, he also took his own life. So don't think for a minute that I don't have sympathy for the gays who can't come to grips with their issues.
So what is the lesson here? That homosexuality is a mental disorder? If the psychiatric community were honest about it, the answer would be yes. Problem is, that's not politically convenient anymore.
Don't misunderstand. I have no problem with who people want to sleep with. Honestly, it makes no difference to me. What irritates me is the way some people want to make it seem like a completely natural thing. Yes, I know instances happen in nature, but those instances are outside the norm. Homosexuality, in the context of sexual satisfaction, is a man-made construct. It serves no other purpose.
Tolerance? Sure. Acceptance as normal? No.
(And I don't hate libs. Not sure where you got that. I have more liberal friends than conservative.)
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