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Post by cardfan on Sept 27, 2017 13:28:56 GMT -6
Dakich said Larranga/Miami appear to be implicated. We'll see how far all this goes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 13:29:34 GMT -6
Tom Davis‏ @tom101010 48m48 minutes ago More Interesting. Arizona mbb asst Emanual Richardson charged and he worked alongside Ball State's James Whitford for 7 years at 2 schools. The former Financial Adviser ( and FBI informant) at the heart of this investigation, a Pittsburgh native named Lewis Martin Blazer, is supposedly a long time acquaintance of Sean Miller. Arizona has been really quiet up to this point.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 27, 2017 13:35:31 GMT -6
I could be wrong but I think its going to end up focusing more on the AAU side I think you are exactly right. Let's be honest after two years of wire taps and bugging hotel rooms the FBI, with it's almost unlimited resources, found 4 dirty programs out of 347. Now they may find additional criminal activity, but it doesn't point to a system that's out of control. Unlimited resources? That is shooting from the hip again (hit yourself in the foot a lot that way) and grossly exaggerates the scope of the investigations. This was an investigation focused on law breakers linked to one witness who flipped due to charges involving the SEC, not the conference. This investigation doesn't say much about anything else, I'll agree, but it wasn't a full scale investigation of the NCAA or AAU or even Louisville basketball. There is a lot more there, most would probably bet. I am sure there is a lot of scrambling being done right now to cover up anything that might be linked. Calhoun is probably right, the AAU is the weakest link and doesn't have the political allies or resources the NCAA has to try to avoid trouble related to this investigation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 13:45:29 GMT -6
A budget of over $8.5 billion a year, 38,000 employees and 14,000 special agents. You are among the dumbest ten people I have encountered on a message board. I didn't say this particular investigation was given unlimited resources.
"I'll agree, but it wasn't a full scale investigation of the NCAA or AAU or even Louisville basketball. "
Who said it was, but I believe the fact they used wire taps and bugged hotel rooms is a pretty good indication they have a serious investigation underway. Duh my is 00, duh would someone please give me my meds.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 27, 2017 14:12:32 GMT -6
One factor that caused the NCAA to avoid looking too closely is that the system was a way to pay the players....which the NCAA is under some pressure to do. By using the shoe company hidden money, they could pay some players without losing the illusion of amateurism and without having to deal with Title IX bullshit, and that whole can of worms. This had the effect of easing a bit of steam out of that boiling pot for the NCAA.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Sept 27, 2017 14:13:14 GMT -6
I've thought the logo for BSU football twitter is kind of strange. I get the Cardinal, MAC, and Indiana symbols, but Nike?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 27, 2017 14:32:42 GMT -6
I am not saying it could not or does not happen in football but a slam dunk prospect worthy of some kind of kick back is not easy to identify as an 18 year old. If he is one of the few that can be he is not at BSU anyway. It only takes 1 kid to turn around a basketball program where it takes 12-15 to turn around a football team. Make no mistake though the nike symbol in the Logo is there for recruiting purposes
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Post by cardfan on Sept 27, 2017 14:35:36 GMT -6
Yep, we are a Nike school. Kids like that.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 27, 2017 16:41:19 GMT -6
What halftime says: Let's be honest after two years of wire taps and bugging hotel rooms the FBI, with it's almost unlimited resources, found 4 dirty programs out of 347. Now they may find additional criminal activity, but it doesn't point to a system that's out of control. I challenged two statements. One that anything like unlimited resources were used or available to be used, and stated this was a very limited investigation. And second concluded such a small scale investigation was unlikely to find very many dirty programs. halftime considers this pretty stupid. I think I now understand why he favors short posts, the larger fusillade of words as he shoots from the hip would sever even more of his toes. He seems to think 8 billion dollars is unlimited resources, but of course 15,000 agents each have about 10-15 cases on their desk at any moment and have to clear some go on to others in a typical year. Very few cases are allocated much of a budget for wiretaps or surveillance of any kind. Many are a lot more important than this one. Perhaps halftime thinks this result, a serious investigation into a few schools was cheap and easy? I suppose halftime, hunched over his keyboard on sports forums could assume that the budget priority is pretty high in investigating the 347 NCAA programs he mentions, and I don't know how many possible corrupt connections are possible. But an FBI agent asking big bucks to widen the investigation from the few schools involved with the busted sports finance agent and to attempt to broaden the investigation, that FBI agent runs into problems since the DOJ and FBI leadership probably think there are higher priorities in law enforcement.
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Post by gocardsgo on Sept 28, 2017 1:38:32 GMT -6
Normally I'm not on halftime's side but even I have to look at the post above and say "what the hell did I just read?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 5:09:59 GMT -6
Hey guys this is the tip of the iceberg. It will become a potential NCAA killer along the lines of the basketball point fixing scandals of the late 40s /early 50s. I have thought for years most big recruits or their families got money from someone most likely agents or athletic apparel companies now they all should get investigated if they want to truly end it. Other shoes will drop...... Hey, will Pappa John be heading back home?
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2017 5:48:56 GMT -6
Normally I'm not on halftime's side but even I have to look at the post above and say "what the hell did I just read?" Short version. Halftime wrong to say the 347 NCAA teams in the clear after this investigation didn't find anything about them. It didn't look at much except the few who they nailed.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 28, 2017 6:18:39 GMT -6
Normally I'm not on halftime's side but even I have to look at the post above and say "what the hell did I just read?" Short version. Halftime wrong to say the 347 NCAA teams in the clear after this investigation didn't find anything about them. It didn't look at much except the few who they nailed. Was that so difficult to give us the condensed version? Budgets for investigations are usually determined by 1) the seriousness of the crimes, 2) the breadth and depth of individuals/institutions/corporations involved, 3) the amount of publicity the FBI will receive when they break the case. Not necessarily in that order. This is a case that has far reaching implications, and a huge amount of publicity. Sure, there are more serious crimes out there, but as Meat Loaf might say, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 7:09:01 GMT -6
Normally I'm not on halftime's side but even I have to look at the post above and say "what the hell did I just read?" Short version. Halftime wrong to say the 347 NCAA teams in the clear after this investigation didn't find anything about them. It didn't look at much except the few who they nailed. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................I never stated anyone was in the clear, I merely said only 4, at this point were implicated.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2017 10:06:38 GMT -6
Short version. Halftime wrong to say the 347 NCAA teams in the clear after this investigation didn't find anything about them. It didn't look at much except the few who they nailed. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................I never stated anyone was in the clear, I merely said only 4, at this point were implicated. The quote is above, I don't know much way to read except that you thought nothing was ever going to happen after the vast investment of FBI resources did not reveal anything. What the hell was your point other than that? Just repeating vacuously what the story said? And what was the point about arguing about the resources invested, if that was it? Wait a minute, I forgot. You rarely ever express an opinion on a matter of substance, only that everybody else must be wrong. Sorry. You were not wrong, merely irrelevant.
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