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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:30:13 GMT -6
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Post by gocardsgo on Oct 25, 2017 21:32:01 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 23:51:02 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity what is your gripe with Pence? I haven't lived in Indiana for many years so I don't know a great deal about his time as Governor of the state; personally, I respect the man's conduct as V.P. of our country. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 26, 2017 6:14:00 GMT -6
I understand that there are a few, very vocal people that have a problem with Pence's faith. I think John Kelly would refer to them as "empty barrels."
Pence is highly intelligent, has a dry wit, and is probably the most principled person in Washington. He is an all-around good dude.
I'd vote for him for president in a heartbeat.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 26, 2017 6:47:24 GMT -6
Pence can have all the faith he wants. What people take issue with is Pence and his backers want YOU to worship and think as as he does. This country has never worked that way. You know, separation of church and state and all that.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Oct 26, 2017 8:26:16 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity what is your gripe with Pence? I haven't lived in Indiana for many years so I don't know a great deal about his time as Governor of the state; personally, I respect the man's conduct as V.P. of our country. As governor he openly discriminated against the LGBT community with his far-right religious freedom bill and he supports conversion therapy. He's adamantly opposed to reproductive rights. His policies created an HIV epidemic in southern Indiana and then did nothing to quell the problem. Sure we have a balanced budget and a huge surplus, but during his time as governor he mostly was an embarrassment to Indiana and what it means to be a Hoosier. Now, he's Donald's toy puppet. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 26, 2017 8:52:42 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity what is your gripe with Pence? I haven't lived in Indiana for many years so I don't know a great deal about his time as Governor of the state; personally, I respect the man's conduct as V.P. of our country. As governor he openly discriminated against the LGBT community with his far-right religious freedom bill and he supports conversion therapy. He's adamantly opposed to reproductive rights. His policies created an HIV epidemic in southern Indiana and then did nothing to quell the problem. Sure we have a balanced budget and a huge surplus, but during his time as governor he mostly was an embarrassment to Indiana and what it means to be a Hoosier. Now, he's Donald's toy puppet. How did a government policy create an HIV epidemic? I'm all for calling the government on the problems it creates, so don't interpret this question to be combative. |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 26, 2017 9:12:12 GMT -6
Ended a needle exchange program. HIV broke out immediately after
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 26, 2017 9:20:14 GMT -6
Ended a needle exchange program. HIV broke out immediately after I'm not familiar with how needle exchange programs work. Is that the government buying and giving clean needles to drug abusers in exchange for used needles? |
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Post by DickHunsaker on Oct 26, 2017 9:29:58 GMT -6
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 26, 2017 10:09:06 GMT -6
If that's the case then I don't think it's fair to say that because Pence wouldn't use money stolen from the public to provide drug abusers a safe means of abusing, that he is responsible for the resultant dangerous abuse of the drugs.
When considering failures in public policy usually the first thing I consider is how the problem could be addressed in a voluntary manner. Would a business selling clean needles or a non-profit distributing needles to abusers be legal?
If it's legal I'd suggest opening such a business or non-profit. That way you reached your end result without having to steal money from the public to do it. If it's illegal, I'd suggest railing against the government outlawing voluntary transactions between consenting adults.
I've got no problem with a drug abuser receiving a clean needle. I've got a problem with anyone's pocket being picked to do it.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 26, 2017 10:57:22 GMT -6
"Pence and his backers want YOU to worship and think as as he does."
I think most people in the world would prefer that other people think as they do....and probably worship too.
In what way is this unique?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 26, 2017 11:14:31 GMT -6
If that's the case then I don't think it's fair to say that because Pence wouldn't use money stolen from the public to provide drug abusers a safe means of abusing, that he is responsible for the resultant dangerous abuse of the drugs. When considering failures in public policy usually the first thing I consider is how the problem could be addressed in a voluntary manner. Would a business selling clean needles or a non-profit distributing needles to abusers be legal? If it's legal I'd suggest opening such a business or non-profit. That way you reached your end result without having to steal money from the public to do it. If it's illegal, I'd suggest railing against the government outlawing voluntary transactions between consenting adults. I've got no problem with a drug abuser receiving a clean needle. I've got a problem with anyone's pocket being picked to do it. x2 |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 26, 2017 11:26:02 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity what is your gripe with Pence? I haven't lived in Indiana for many years so I don't know a great deal about his time as Governor of the state; personally, I respect the man's conduct as V.P. of our country. As governor he openly discriminated against the LGBT community with his far-right religious freedom bill and he supports conversion therapy. He's adamantly opposed to reproductive rights. His policies created an HIV epidemic in southern Indiana and then did nothing to quell the problem. Sure we have a balanced budget and a huge surplus, but during his time as governor he mostly was an embarrassment to Indiana and what it means to be a Hoosier. Now, he's Donald's toy puppet. All this is why liberals hate him. And why conservatives love him. RFRA contained no language that specifically targeted the LGBT community. It was just twisted that way by a very few, very vocal liberals. He is pro life. Is there something wrong with not wanting to see children killed? And he stopped paying for a program that enabled drug abusers to continue using on the taxpayers' dime. It's somehow HIS fault that the abusers couldn't stop shooting up? I have no sympathy for drug abusers that can't get clean. They are a drain on society, and a danger to themselves and others. I just feel sorry for their families. It's hard to eliminate a family member from your life, but in these cases, it must be done, or you'll get dragged down with them. Maybe you were embarrassed, but you were in a small minority. |
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