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Post by realitycheck on Jan 25, 2018 18:02:10 GMT -6
Alas, I fear the cold grip of apathy has finally claimed our friend the Sherminator. Most of us here probably care too much but eventually when the harsh reality of our fate in the MAC becomes more inevitable it's easy to empathize with the General.
As for the Kid, I'm not sure if he's off at a conference, lying on a beach sipping Mai Tai's or has gone underground given our lackluster play in conference. Perhaps he is gathering secret intel about the signing of a major recruit that will be dangled for the faithful to rekindle hope.
The State of the Union is Kumbaya. All is well. Nothing here to worry about. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.
Sigh.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 25, 2018 19:41:06 GMT -6
Oddly enough, it was the Notre Dame game that was the final straw for me. I didn't bother to watch it, or follow it in any way. And when I saw the result, I felt..... nothing. Knowing what I knew about the state of the program and the coach, I did not see the game as a harbinger of anything in particular. But more significantly, it made me realize my emotional involvement with BSU basketball had dwindled to zero. I was not fully aware of it until that moment.
I delight in analyzing, theorizing and predicting, and especially in being right. But being right about the inadequacies and mistaken directions of BSU basketball has become very, very tiresome. There is no challenge in it. BSU is following a well-practiced template of failure with amazingly exact and monotonous regularity.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 25, 2018 20:05:24 GMT -6
It's interesting to contrast the ND game to the Purdue game, or more specifically to contrast in the feelings created by the two wins. If you've been around a while, you know what Purdue game I mean. Although ND was actually ranked more highly, and probably is a better team, there is no absolutely comparison to the feeling of portent that the Purdue game created. A feeling of portent that was, in time, fully justified. What made it so obvious that the situations were different? It's an interesting thing to think about.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 25, 2018 20:12:13 GMT -6
And you could feel it in the air before the Purdue game. It was palpable.
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Post by Bigfoot on Jan 26, 2018 12:12:34 GMT -6
I remember very clearly both Coach Majerus and Coach Hunsaker telling me that the MAC runs we had under their tutelage may never be duplicated.
The comments were in private and independent of each other and not delivered with any sense of self promotion.
I had hoped then they were wrong and thought the success at the Maui Classic a decade later was evidence of such.
Now I just rely on "hope and prayer" we can become relevant on the regional/national scene of collegiate basketball!
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Post by cardfan on Jan 26, 2018 12:37:59 GMT -6
We don't even need to dominate the MAC like Rick and Dick did, we just need to be good enough to win the damn tourney. If we have MAC records like 12-6 or 11-7 and then have an Al Brown type tourney run to win the thing I think we'd all be happy. But we haven't even made it to the title game in forever.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2018 13:27:08 GMT -6
Hadn't won a tourney game for a long time, much less play for the championship...
Stupid tourney...stupid BSU in postseason. Have to get the Kid's voodoo working this year again.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2018 13:36:11 GMT -6
We don't even need to dominate the MAC like Rick and Dick did, we just need to be good enough to win the damn tourney. Dominate? Likely not happening to any program, but being one of the best teams consistently can happen. 12-6 every year for 4 or 5 years would feel awfully good, and that would compare to about any teams best run. now we need to get once to 12-6. Plus that tournament semi final or final for a few years. Might even win one...Then we can get all hot and bothered about what counts as dominating...and why we aren't as good as the 1980's.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 26, 2018 13:43:14 GMT -6
Just can not see domination ever happening again. Consistently good is possible
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:45:08 GMT -6
Hadn't won a tourney game for a long time, much less play for the championship... Stupid tourney...stupid BSU in postseason. Have to get the Kid's voodoo working this year again. Exactly how bad would this program have to be for you to admit Whitford isn't the coach you claim he is ? I think even kid is ready to admit that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:46:45 GMT -6
We don't even need to dominate the MAC like Rick and Dick did, we just need to be good enough to win the damn tourney. Dominate? Likely not happening to any program, but being one of the best teams consistently can happen. 12-6 every year for 4 or 5 years would feel awfully good, and that would compare to about any teams best run. now we need to get once to 12-6. Plus that tournament semi final or final for a few years. Might even win one...Then we can get all hot and bothered about what counts as dominating...and why we aren't as good as the 1980's. Yep, you have now convinced me no team currently in the MAC is good enough to actually win the MAC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:50:24 GMT -6
Just can not see domination ever happening again. Consistently good is possible I think this conference can be easily dominated by any program that really commits itself to the task.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 26, 2018 14:03:41 GMT -6
Buffalo is 7-0 in the MAC and has won every game by double digits. They are a program that has the appearance of dominating the MAC. We aren't even close to them. Not sure any MAC team is close to them this year.
By our 5th year under one coach we should be contending, not 3-4 with 3 of the losses ugly blowouts. Somehow, by some miracle, good coaches can have a team in contention by year 3. Contention. Not empty wins and no title game appearances. It just doesn't take that long in basketball. Hell, Jack Owens has Miami above .500 in the MAC as a first year head coach with a bunch of players new to D1. But, if people are happy winning 17 to 20ish games and no championships and no REAL postseason bids, I guess that's what we'll have every year. But we've had coaches prior to Whit fired for being mediocre over 5+ years and not winning anything of significance.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2018 14:24:50 GMT -6
Buffalo is 7-0 in the MAC and has won every game by double digits. They are a program that has the appearance of dominating the MAC. We aren't even close to them. Not sure any MAC team is close to them this year. By our 5th year under one coach we should be contending..... This year Buffalo has been awfully good. Last year this time I thought Akron was unbeatable too. They seem better, more versatile, more athletic overall, and they can shoot... That "we should be contending" nobody will argue about very much, except I am always suspicious of the word "should." 5 years ago we'd sure all say that was what we "wanted." What is a good outcome this year in the next 11 games, and next year, and what can we do the next game makes more sense to me to discuss. Except for venting,I suppose...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 14:24:50 GMT -6
Buffalo is 7-0 in the MAC and has won every game by double digits. They are a program that has the appearance of dominating the MAC. We aren't even close to them. Not sure any MAC team is close to them this year. By our 5th year under one coach we should be contending, not 3-4 with 3 of the losses ugly blowouts. Somehow, by some miracle, good coaches can have a team in contention by year 3. Contention. Not empty wins and no title game appearances. It just doesn't take that long in basketball. Hell, Jack Owens has Miami above .500 in the MAC as a first year head coach with a bunch of players new to D1. But, if people are happy winning 17 to 20ish games and no championships and no REAL postseason bids, I guess that's what we'll have every year. But we've had coaches prior to Whit fired for being mediocre over 5+ years and not winning anything of significance. Yep Buffalo has a non conference SOS of 13 which means they are building a program capable of getting an at large bid. Jimmy Shitbird gripes our NCSOS was too tough at 216.
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