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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 28, 2018 15:25:23 GMT -6
I agree I say take risks sometimes they pay off sometimes you get burnt. This is not a problem isolated to us I just read this and was not looking for anything
Former Notre Dame WR Kevin Stepherson was arrested again on Friday, this time in Whitley County. He was charged with possession of marijuana and paraphernalia. It's Stephenson's fourth arrest since arriving at ND and third marijuana arrest.
He has been dismissed from the team but is still a student at ND. I hate to say it but some times its just a culture thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 15:50:53 GMT -6
I do not disagree most of us agree way to many chances were given. I guess we just see what the future holds and see if more problems arise. I do not like whats a going on either. I do not know if backgrounds are being checked as they should have been or not. If its a case a kids just going rouge then there is not much you can do to prevent that. If shit just keeps popping up then Whit needs to either fix it or figure out a different option when selecting kids That sounds like an adult thing to say. I am not worried too much that we need to change much. Maybe took one too many chances on Tyler but facts here seem to indicate Tyler was a good kid in HS. I doubt there was a way to predict this result at recruitment, not a case where we took a big risk then. We check kids out thoroughly enough, and I support taking some risks. Sometimes we do know there are risks and do take them on. That's not it here. Do we have any evidence at all of malcontent in Tyler. No. Sure, he screwed up. Not the same thing at all. And damned if parents and teachers and coaches sometime make mistakes giving second chances to those who after all are not adults yet. It's a risk. 20-20 hindsight is great, but taking risks and sometimes losing is what an adult often has to do. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............................I believe getting suspended from play on multiple occasions and not caring enough to alter your conduct would make you the epitome of malcontent behavior.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Jan 28, 2018 16:02:57 GMT -6
Well please explain why Tyler or Whitford aren't assholes........................... Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 28, 2018 16:07:19 GMT -6
Do we have any evidence at all of malcontent in Tyler. No. Sure, he screwed up. Not the same thing at all. And damned if parents and teachers and coaches sometime make mistakes giving second chances to those who after all are not adults yet. It's a risk. 20-20 hindsight is great, but taking risks and sometimes losing is what an adult often has to do. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............................I believe getting suspended from play on multiple occasions and not caring enough to alter your conduct would make you the epitome of malcontent behavior. I think you are looking for another word. Dictionary says malcontent is a person who is dissatisfied and rebellious. synonyms: troublemaker, mischief-maker, agitator, dissident, rebel, rabble-rouser; discontent, complainer, grumbler, moaner, whiner;grouch, grump, bellyacher, kvetch, squeaky wheel, dissatisfied and complaining or making trouble. That's more like a negative poster on fan forum than a kid with a drug problem.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 28, 2018 16:08:58 GMT -6
Well please explain why Tyler or Whitford aren't assholes........................... Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives. That may be a poor choice of words in this discussion, but you do have a point that the question is a lame post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 16:15:54 GMT -6
Well please explain why Tyler or Whitford aren't assholes........................... Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives. Tyler, rebellious malcontent dope-smoking ass-clown who doesn't have enough self respect or discipline to avoid harming those around him. = asshole Shitbird who failed after multiple attempts to discipline the above and continues to recruit the same "at risk" prospects. =asshole
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 16:17:47 GMT -6
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............................I believe getting suspended from play on multiple occasions and not caring enough to alter your conduct would make you the epitome of malcontent behavior. I think you are looking for another word. Dictionary says malcontent is a person who is dissatisfied and rebellious. synonyms: troublemaker, mischief-maker, agitator, dissident, rebel, rabble-rouser; discontent, complainer, grumbler, moaner, whiner;grouch, grump, bellyacher, kvetch, squeaky wheel, dissatisfied and complaining or making trouble. That's more like a negative poster on fan forum than a kid with a drug problem. So completely disregarding past discipline and violating team rules isn't rebellious. You really are an idiot.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Jan 28, 2018 16:27:43 GMT -6
Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives. Tyler, rebellious malcontent dope-smoking ass-clown who doesn't have enough self respect or disciple to avoid harming those around him. = asshole Shitbird who failed after multiple attempts to discipline the above and continues to recruit the same type of people. =asshole Fair enough. We disagree on the character assessment, particularly Whitford. Just wanted some logic to back up lobbing what most people would read as a personal attack because they took an action you didn't agree with.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 28, 2018 18:35:27 GMT -6
Hoopsmith........for a minute, I was for sure Halftime was describing himself!!
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Post by davebehave on Jan 28, 2018 19:43:40 GMT -6
The goal is to have no guards left by tourney time. Aha! That must be why we only recruit guards!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 21:24:19 GMT -6
Mid majors have to take some recruiting risks. It may or may not help the program but it may give a student a chance they might not have had. Just one of those students might use that opportunity to do something special, whether it’s on the court or elsewhere.
It’s worth the risk. I hope the university is trying to help Jeremie outside of the basketball.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 29, 2018 7:32:45 GMT -6
Well please explain why Tyler or Whitford aren't assholes........................... Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives. Tell that to the growing list of men accused of sexual misconduct. No proof. No trial. Just the accusation is enough to ruin their lives. It's in our nature to believe the worst.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Jan 29, 2018 9:05:45 GMT -6
Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives. Tell that to the growing list of men accused of sexual misconduct. No proof. No trial. Just the accusation is enough to ruin their lives. It's in our nature to believe the worst. I agree that in the court of public opinion, we tend to jump to the worst conclusion. However, I think you may have kicked over a hornets' nest here... As the father of girls, I'd want their stories to be believed and treated with respect if they came forward in such a situation. But that power comes with great responsibility, and they would also understand the repercussions of false reporting.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 29, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -6
Yeah, I've got a daughter, too. I've tried to teach her how to handle herself if some guy gets too aggressive, luckily she hasn't had a problem.
But I think it's gotten out of hand with what's being defined as "sexual misconduct." Seems like just asking a girl out qualifies these days.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 29, 2018 12:43:30 GMT -6
Holy christ. A person doesn't have to prove innocence, you have to prove them guilty. That's how it works in America. You might as well ask the entire board if we've stopped beating our wives. Tell that to the growing list of men accused of sexual misconduct. No proof. No trial. Just the accusation is enough to ruin their lives. It's in our nature to believe the worst. A timely Butler case in today's newsThe facts related make it completely clear that a series of stupid events occurred. It shows the flip side of how the University is pilloried here for not handling the charges very strictly to favor the victim. They just cannot afford to not have procedures. But look at the facts in this case, nobody involved should get high marks. The victim drinks a lot at a frat party, goes home, goes back on a misguided mission to maybe help her friend. The athlete involved has had a history of trouble, is drinking heavily. No criminal mastermind admits the offense eventually. But, law enforcement is called in, the University police are confused mightily by a family lawyer making a report after a serious delay. I could see this happening at BSU, staff didn't report it the way I'd expect, but nobody really did, including the victim. University staff who probably didn't think of themselves as in an urgent situation and apparently didn't exactly know what they were supposed to do end up producing for the University horrible press. This seems to me a case where the procedures didn't work, didn't hurt or help anybody, but surely not one where the frat or the athlete deserved a lot of help...hard for me to say the procedures were unfair to the accused.
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