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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 7:19:13 GMT -6
Wanted to see how we stacked up against tough competition at "crunch time".
I took a quick look at our MAC conference tournament performances.
This seems to be the source of many unfounded thread rants over the last couple of years.
There seems to be a distinct line you can draw from the "golden years" to the "dark ages".
COACH W-L
Yoder 5-3
Brown 5-2
Majerus 3-1
Hunsaker 9-2
McCallum 9-5
Buckley 4-6
Thompson 0-1
Taylor 2-6
Whitford 1-4
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 12, 2018 8:45:19 GMT -6
Majerus called it "Nut-cuttin Time". If you know any hog farmers, you'll know what that means.
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Post by bsu0 on Feb 12, 2018 9:19:09 GMT -6
Now I understand why the AD extended Whit's contract
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Post by cardfan on Feb 12, 2018 9:54:58 GMT -6
Whit is on a billy Taylor pace.
Al brown wasn’t much of a coach, especially in light of the talent he squandered, but he managed to win a Mac tourney.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 12, 2018 12:56:16 GMT -6
Whit is on a billy Taylor pace. Al brown wasn’t much of a coach, especially in light of the talent he squandered, but he managed to win a Mac tourney. We are doing better than that. I never went into a tournament with Billy Taylor thinking we had a snowballs chance in hell of winning it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 12, 2018 13:27:00 GMT -6
Whit is on a billy Taylor pace. Al brown wasn’t much of a coach, especially in light of the talent he squandered, but he managed to win a Mac tourney. The quality of that tourney record heavily weighted on that one good year with 3 wins. He was 1-1 2 years, did not qualify for the tournament automatically in those days. He would have several more losses in today's tourney set up. They did beat both Ohio and Miami, so they were hot at the right time. But I remember watching in Millet Hall that year when they lost by almost 30 points. And they were 11-7, hardly a "golden years" performance. |
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Feb 12, 2018 13:42:43 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, I decided to look and see where our last three head coaching failures are now and if they've figured anything out since we canned them.
Thompson: broadcaster. His one year here remains his only year of head coaching experience, ever. What a dud. Thanks, Jo Ann!
Taylor: went to Iowa as an assistant for a few years, now the head coach at Belmont Abbey (D-2 school) in North Carolina.
Buckley: spent 9 years somehow putting up with Tom Crean; couldn't find anything about him now. No head coaching experience post-BSU.
It'll be interesting to see if Whitford ever lands that coveted Duquesne-type job or if he goes the Pete Lembo route and decides to be an assistant again.
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Post by reevo on Feb 12, 2018 13:43:38 GMT -6
Al is a good guy and was a good high school coach. He found his niche as an assistant woman’s coach at Tennessee under Pat Summitt. Very
Knowledgeable guy who was best suited as an assistant. Nothing wrong with that but he was not a good head coach.
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Post by reevo on Feb 12, 2018 13:45:23 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, I decided to look and see where our last three head coaching failures are now and if they've figured anything out since we canned them. Thompson: broadcaster. His one year here remains his only year of head coaching experience, ever. What a dud. Thanks, Jo Ann! Taylor: went to Iowa as an assistant for a few years, now the head coach at Belmont Abbey (D-2 school) in North Carolina. Buckley: spent 9 years somehow putting up with Tom Crean; couldn't find anything about him now. No head coaching experience post-BSU. It'll be interesting to see if Whitford ever lands that coveted Duquesne-type job or if he goes the Pete Lembo route and decides to be an assistant again. Like Al Brown, Buckley has done well as an assistant coach. I believe he is an area scout for the Milwaukee Bucks of the NBA. |
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Post by reevo on Feb 12, 2018 13:48:45 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, I decided to look and see where our last three head coaching failures are now and if they've figured anything out since we canned them. Thompson: broadcaster. His one year here remains his only year of head coaching experience, ever. What a dud. Thanks, Jo Ann! Taylor: went to Iowa as an assistant for a few years, now the head coach at Belmont Abbey (D-2 school) in North Carolina. Buckley: spent 9 years somehow putting up with Tom Crean; couldn't find anything about him now. No head coaching experience post-BSU. It'll be interesting to see if Whitford ever lands that coveted Duquesne-type job or if he goes the Pete Lembo route and decides to be an assistant again. Like Al Brown, Buckley has done well as an assistant coach. I believe he is an area scout for the Milwaukee Bucks of the NBA. Make that Minnesota Twolves staff: While the Wolves wait on answers back from such players as Dante Cunningham and Shabazz Muhammad, they also work to fill vacancies in their front office/scouting/coaching staffs. According to league sources, they'll add John Lucas III as a player-development coach and former Indiana University senior assistant coach Tim Buckley to their scouting department. Top assistant to former Hoosiers coach Tom Crean, Buckley will primarily scout colleges. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 12, 2018 14:04:56 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, I decided to look and see where our last three head coaching failures are now and if they've figured anything out since we canned them. Like Al Brown, Buckley has done well as an assistant coach. I believe he is an area scout for the Milwaukee Bucks of the NBA. Great point about Buckley. Give him a well defined job and he gets it done. Make him the leader and setting the agenda, not so much. We did very well hiring assistants with Hunsaker and Ray, but in both cases they inherited a lot of talent, the Program had momentum and direction. Even Buckley did well in his first years as well. I think we developed the idea in the AD's that anyone could do well at BSU, and continued too long not valuing proven experience. Whitford certainly had a lot to learn OJT when he arrived. It's such a big job representing the program, establishing an organization, planning, leading and making the decisions on the bench. Hunsaker was really ready to do it. Ray, I think was not really ready in some ways, but had been a quiet leader as a player, and did bring in Bonzi! He was clearly a guy who players could respect out of the box. Thompson actually had a poor record even as a low level assistant. And it immediately showed. He not only poisoned the players he inherited, and had no idea what he was doing in any area that I could see, but I've never seen a case of negative program building rivaling the one he did. Forget having trouble on the court, did anyone actually like the man? Did he help build BSU in any way? Taylor at least had HC experience, and was a little like Ray in being a quiet leader as a player, but apart from hating his brand of basketball, I never had the idea he had the drive to build anything. I strongly favor bringing in coaches with an established HC record. And, with strong ideas what they want. Whitford has purpose and direction (many here disagree with it, mostly his basketball theories) but I give him credit that he may have improved more than any coach I remember. (Of course his critcs can argue he started at a low baseline, I suppose) |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 12, 2018 15:47:01 GMT -6
Thompson's biggest problem was that if you were white, he instantly disliked you. The first time I met him, I hadn't even finished shaking his hand before he had "dismissed" me. Happened to the other folks in my group that were of a "paler complexion."
Made it tough to work with him (in the limited capacity that I had to). Every question got me a one word answer. He had quite a chip on his shoulder.
Buckley was, in reality, one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. Toward the end of his tenure, he got pretty tense, so it was probably best for him to leave.
Ran into Ray several years ago at a game at Detroit Mercy. I never knew him personally, I just told him I was a big fan of his when he wore Cardinal red. He just laughed and said, "So was I!"
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 13, 2018 8:49:05 GMT -6
Wanted to see how we stacked up against tough competition at "crunch time". I took a quick look at our MAC conference tournament performances. This seems to be the source of many unfounded thread rants over the last couple of years. There seems to be a distinct line you can draw from the "golden years" to the "dark ages". COACH W-L Yoder 5-3 Brown 5-2 Majerus 3-1 Hunsaker 9-2 McCallum 9-5Buckley 4-6 Thompson 0-1 Taylor 2-6 Whitford 1-4 It all began rolling downhill for this program in 2002-03. Buckley started 3-2, went 1-4 from 02-03 to 05-06. That exercise is a good illustration of that. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 13, 2018 12:59:13 GMT -6
That's the pattern you can usually expect whenever a non-recruiter follows a recruiter.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 13, 2018 13:20:08 GMT -6
I will quibble a little bit with that. Ray was able to get guys into BSU that Buck was NOT allowed to recruit. That's a fact. The reason Buck wasn't allowed to was because of the off court shenanigans and poor classroom performance of Ray's players. The administration, starting with Seeger and then Gora wanted it cleaned up. That said, Tim needed to adjust tactics and find a way around it and he couldn't do it. And as time went on he became more and more bitter, which did him no favors. I'm not defending his record or his failures, but I will defend his being handcuffed in terms of recruiting. He had guys ready to come that admissions said no to. A couple of them went on to star at Xavier.
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