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Post by reevo on Mar 5, 2018 16:00:46 GMT -6
Sorry Kid but he is soft and way too inconsistent. Not a personal attack but the truth about his persona. He disappears way too often when close games are on the line. Good recognition for him and the team but not a true indicator of how he has played against the best. He has improved but he is not the force we need inside. He would be a great complimentary piece with the right hard nosed power forward. Nothing Trey does will ever impress reevo. Hey reevo why don’t you have a child and produce the “Monster Center” you crave. No, I am simply looking at the overall body of work. He is not the difference maker we need in the post. I will take a reincarnation of Curtis Kidd, Steve Payne, Bill Gillis and others. Trey is a complimentary player not a first option. You all get to wrapped up in stats. I look at other things like our record, do other teams worry so much about him that he is CONSISTENTLY doubled, does he get the tough physical rebound down the stretch, does he become the go to player in the post on clear outs. Thompson gets doubled and tripled by everyone including the top programs they played and he still averages a double double and he is a wanted man. Being named third teams has much more to do with the type of kid Trey is compared to Thompson who is a shit head. Thompson will get a shot in the NBA, Trey will not.
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Post by gocards17 on Mar 5, 2018 16:02:58 GMT -6
Nothing Trey does will ever impress reevo. Hey reevo why don’t you have a child and produce the “Monster Center” you crave. No, I am simply looking at the overall body of work. He is not the difference maker we need in the post. I will take a reincarnation of Curtis Kidd, Steve Payne, Bill Gillis and others. Trey is a complimentary player not a first option. You all get to wrapped up in stats. I look at other things like our record, do other teams worry so much about him that he is CONSISTENTLY doubled, does he get the tough physical rebound down the stretch, does he become the go to player in the post on clear outs. Thompson gets doubled and tripled by everyone including the top programs they played and he still averages a double double and he is a wanted man. Being named third teams has much more to do with the type of kid Trey is compared to Thompson who is a shit head. Thompson will get a shot in the NBA, Trey will not.
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Post by gocards17 on Mar 5, 2018 16:08:35 GMT -6
No, I am simply looking at the overall body of work. He is not the difference maker we need in the post. I will take a reincarnation of Curtis Kidd, Steve Payne, Bill Gillis and others. Trey is a complimentary player not a first option. You all get to wrapped up in stats. I look at other things like our record, do other teams worry so much about him that he is CONSISTENTLY doubled, does he get the tough physical rebound down the stretch, does he become the go to player in the post on clear outs. Thompson gets doubled and tripled by everyone including the top programs they played and he still averages a double double and he is a wanted man. Being named third teams has much more to do with the type of kid Trey is compared to Thompson who is a shit head. Thompson will get a shot in the NBA, Trey will not. [ How can any post player be effective in this style of play? Thompson is the focus of the offense. There are several possessions where the ball never goes past the foul line. What “monster center” wants to come to a program when he sees no touches in the paint. Notice I did not say shots but touches.
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 5, 2018 16:25:16 GMT -6
Heres another point...I believe its the Coaches who recognized Moses not me. I think Thompson is a better center and tougher for sure but I would not trade even up but just my view.
By the way, Reevo, I did not take it as an attack, as I think much of what you've said is true about Moses but I also think he's a bit better than you credit him for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 16:27:35 GMT -6
Ok, I stand corrected, evidently picked technically as the best center in the MAC So, this means everyone in the MAC is having trouble recruiting big men....... ?? I will say that Teague is the best basketball athlete on the Ball State team. Surely there is a Tarheel award that Whit can bestow on him?
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Post by lfbj00 on Mar 5, 2018 16:29:16 GMT -6
Being named third teams has much more to do with the type of kid Trey is compared to Thompson who is a shit head. “The teams were voted on by the league's 12 head coaches.” Yeah usually those damn coaches pick players for the All Conference Teams because of things that have nothing to do with their skill level??? Could be some of the dumbest shit I’ve read on here in a while
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Post by reevo on Mar 5, 2018 17:20:42 GMT -6
Heres another point...I believe its the Coaches who recognized Moses not me. I think Thompson is a better center and tougher for sure but I would not trade even up but just my view. By the way, Reevo, I did not take it as an attack, as I think much of what you've said is true about Moses but I also think he's a bit better than you credit him for. No attack Kid!! I think everybody is aware of the style of play I think would work best for us. I personally like Trey Moses and think he is an outstanding person which is more important than being a great basketball player. I think he has had a good year and think he would be really good with a more physical presence inside. My belief is for this program to get back to being the best in the MAC, we have to be much more physical inside. It is not body type, though that helps. Its a demeanor and thuggish attitude that I am going to kick your ass if you come into the lane. Our most successful teams had that in Kidd, McCurdy, Payne, Gillis etc. We miss toughness and the ability to out tough teams when the game is on the line. It is not in Trey's personality to be a thug and his lack of athleticism and his lack of wanting to attack the rim with authority consistently is simply not in his DNA. It does not mean he is not a good player, he is simply not the type of post that is going to take us over the top against the better teams. The other guys I mentioned played well against high major programs and MAC programs. No drop off and we have yet to see Trey do that consistently against better teams. Again, I think he would be a great complimentary piece, which he is now, but better with a tougher inside player next to him! I am about MAC championships, MAC tournament Championships, NCAA tournament bids and beating quality teams. There is a successful blue print that the better Mid Major Programs follow, have consistent success and bully other programs and that blue print lies in our history. Tough Physical interior play who controls the glass on both ends, physical hard nosed man to man, strong guards who can shoot and lock up the their man defensively and can get to the rim and more importantly, a team built around dictating the pace of play.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 5, 2018 17:28:50 GMT -6
A team that doesn’t give up 20 offensive rebounds to Niu
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Post by reevo on Mar 5, 2018 17:31:33 GMT -6
[ How can any post player be effective in this style of play? Thompson is the focus of the offense. There are several possessions where the ball never goes past the foul line. What “monster center” wants to come to a program when he sees no touches in the paint. Notice I did not say shots but touches. Great point which is why I have a problem with our style of play. Thompson is the focal part of their offense because he is pretty damn good and has a chance to play at the next level. He has a 10 cent head but he is gifted athletically and has a mean streak. He can control both ends of the floor, Trey is simply not that kind of player. We need that kind of player to get back to the program we all want. We need a bunch of guys that are hired henchman that will punch you in the mouth when it gets tough. We have one.
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 5, 2018 17:46:59 GMT -6
So far there's been a pretty good debate between what Thompson of EMU is vs. Trey Moses. How about Nike Sibande vs. Ishmael El-Min?
I note Sibande of Miami (Ohio) made both the honorable mention All-MAC and freshmen All-MAC teams while Ishmael was on neither. The question is, do you think this is a factor of him playing heavy minutes on a team depleted by a change in coaching (like Sellers played heavy minutes in his freshman year at BSU), or is he significantly better than Ishmael?
If it's the latter (and I think it is) then Whitford, as he did on NIU's German, missed-out on an Indiana kid who went to another MAC school. For a coach who insists he is focused on recruiting the best high school talent the State of Indiana has to offer, this is not a good trend.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 5, 2018 17:53:04 GMT -6
We recruited sibande late. If we chose anyone over him it was KJ Walton, who we got late.
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Post by universityjim on Mar 5, 2018 17:54:40 GMT -6
Miami is gonna be really good down the line. And they already kicked our asses this year. Persons was not good enough for first but Teague certainly was good enough for honorable mention. When Teague was good we won. When he wasn’t we lost. Did not take them long I don't know if you can say that about Miami based on their game with us. Which Ball State team was on the floor that day? 21 turnovers, 57% free throw percentage, 3 of 12 from three point range (25%), only 10 fouls in the entire game on Miami? That sounds like the I don't give a (insert expletive here) Ball State to me. How would they do against our "A" game? They were only 8-10 in conference.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 5, 2018 18:19:45 GMT -6
Still counts as an ass kicking. And they had several young players get honors. We were only 10-8 (again) so it’s not like we ended up light years better. My main point is Jack Owens in his first year, taking over a worse situation, has done far better than Whitford did in his first two years and it appears it could be projected they’ll have a very good program soon.
And I’d bet Miami had a lot less “we don’t give a shit” games than we did.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 5, 2018 18:25:11 GMT -6
Ok, I stand corrected, evidently picked technically as the best center in the MAC That's splitting hairs. Thompson is every bit as much a Center as Trey. Doesn't really matter either way. And Buffalo's Perkins, too. When Perkins and Trey went head-to-head, it wasn't pretty for BSU. And that's why they don't choose by position. Because we call Trey a center, EMU calls Thompson a forward and Buffalo calls Perkins a forward, ... but when we play those teams those guys pretty much are matched up.
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Post by universityjim on Mar 5, 2018 18:35:20 GMT -6
Splitting hairs? Trey would win hands down if they went hair to hair.
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