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Post by 00hmh on Mar 26, 2018 12:12:39 GMT -6
What the hell does that have to do with anything ? I'm telling you man, life is much better if you ignore everything 00 says. If life means talking only to those you agree with, it probably is best for you. That you don't read, yet are sure about what I say is remarkable! Mind reading is a lost art these days.
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 26, 2018 12:22:26 GMT -6
I understand that you can call me a cheerleader or the internal optimist but it could very well be that our two SEC transfers could be the missing elements and they should hit the ground running given they practiced all this past season!
Before you say it Reevo, I agree I’d like to have a tough badass inside guy but the fact is we will be better but by how much???!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 13:50:04 GMT -6
I'm telling you man, life is much better if you ignore everything 00 says. Mind reading is a lost art these days. Really, because you are the one who takes gigantic often free-form liberties with other peoples posts. Even more amusing is you continually contradict yourself. It's okay though, Rusty has your back. Congrats on that.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 26, 2018 13:50:29 GMT -6
I understand that you can call me a cheerleader or the internal optimist but it could very well be that our two SEC transfers could be the missing elements and they should hit the ground running given they practiced all this past season! Before you say it Reevo, I agree I’d like to have a tough badass inside guy but the fact is we will be better but by how much???!!! Don't sell yourself short kid, you're an optimist both internally and externally.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 26, 2018 14:01:57 GMT -6
I understand that you can call me a cheerleader or the internal optimist but it could very well be that our two SEC transfers could be the missing elements and they should hit the ground running given they practiced all this past season! Before you say it Reevo, I agree I’d like to have a tough badass inside guy but the fact is we will be better but by how much???!!! Don't sell yourself short kid, you're an optimist both internally and externally. Thought maybe you were going to say not to sell himself short he’s a tremendous slouch! I suppose he’s also eternally optimistic. Or, perhaps infernal?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 26, 2018 14:09:00 GMT -6
Mind reading is a lost art these days. Really, because you are the one who takes gigantic often free-form liberties with other peoples posts. Even more amusing is you continually contradict yourself. It's okay though, Rusty has your back. Congrats on that. If I cared about what he wrote I'd ask how he got to rambling about mind reading in responding to my post. But I don't care, and probably nobody could explain it anyway.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 26, 2018 14:10:20 GMT -6
Don't sell yourself short kid, you're an optimist both internally and externally. Thought maybe you were going to say not to sell himself short he’s a tremendous slouch! I suppose he’s also eternally optimistic. Or, perhaps infernal? An eternally infernal inferno of optimism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 16:03:34 GMT -6
Thought maybe you were going to say not to sell himself short he’s a tremendous slouch! I suppose he’s also eternally optimistic. Or, perhaps infernal? An eternally infernal inferno of optimism. Yep, you are a one of kind. I am so flabbergasted go froward..................
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Post by gocards17 on Mar 27, 2018 6:25:38 GMT -6
The consensus of this board is for a "bad ass" post player and why doesn't Whitford recruit one. Well, if you watched any games this year you would see that the ball rarely enters the post. When the ball did enter the post for a 6-8 game stint, the team won. The ball was shared and assists were up. Once the 3 ball started flying again the victories dried up. Look at a team like Loyola-Chicago, how are they able to compete with the Power 5's? They share the basketball. How many times this year has there been one pass and a 3 point shot? Everyone has to be involved for success. Why would a "bad ass" big come to BSU when the ball does not enter the paint and all he will do is set high ball screens??
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Post by cardfan on Mar 27, 2018 6:46:15 GMT -6
Nail on head right there. It’s philosophy driven.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 27, 2018 10:24:01 GMT -6
Thanks for a good post. I agree with some of it, but it may oversimplify what happened. First off much of the consensus about the need for a bad ass has to do with the need for physical post defense. You address only offense. I think you are on to something about our style of play NOT being primarily inside out, and that may in fact cause very good post players to fear they might not get as many touches. OTOH, a lot of big men now, especially at the MAC level will not have such good pro prospects as pure post players. I suspect many actually want to play outside some as well, and should welcome playing where they are NOT used only in the post. That may not include all bad ass players, though. So I partially agree with you there. Second, I disagree quite a bit about your simplified narrative of our inside play and its success. You say: The consensus of this board is for a "bad ass" post player and why doesn't Whitford recruit one. Well, if you watched any games this year you would see that the ball rarely enters the post. When the ball did enter the post for a 6-8 game stint, the team won. The ball was shared and assists were up. Once the 3 ball started flying again the victories dried up. It is certainly true we went inside more late in the season. BUT. The team did do pretty well on offense earlier and the longest winning streak occurred, including a couple of big wins, before we were going inside so much.It is not at all clear we could have been successful ONLY going inside. In fact when we did go mostly inside it was large because we had lost two good outside shooters. I am positive we would have been even better had we had those guys AND gone inside more, for example. The reasons the 3 ball started flying is not the reason the victories dried up exactly either. That overlooks two factors that contributed to the losses. First, other teams adjusted to our new found inside game, and packed in. They also defended our entry passing from the high post to the low post. But, our big guys did not play as well late in response to the defense as well. Moses turned the ball over more on the entries, no doubt partly because of the defense. Both big guys were less effective in the post in a game or two, any way you cut it. We had no alternative outside game particularly when that happened. But to make the inside game better we HAD TO SHOOT OUTSIDE, too. This team without outside shooters like Walker and Tyler just wasn't as good with ONLY an inside game, although it did discover how to play inside better. Unfortunately that improvement in the end did not overcome the loss of two good offensive players. Look at a team like Loyola-Chicago, how are they able to compete with the Power 5's? They share the basketball. How many times this year has there been one pass and a 3 point shot? Everyone has to be involved for success. Why would a "bad ass" big come to BSU when the ball does not enter the paint and all he will do is set high ball screens?? Loyola was successful when they shared the ball. So were we, both when we went inside, and earlier, when we played much better outside and shared the ball. The good big man who is strictly a post up player on offense will not thrive. But, if you watch Loyola and other teams with some bad ass players, those players are not generally strictly post up players either. They don't thrive against high level defenders, they do thrive by going to the boards and in some cases by playing pick and roll where they do a lot more than just set the screen. Anybody who thinks big guys who screen aren't going to get shots doesn't understand how it works. They may get some outside shots. They get a chance to roll to the basket and score. And, best of all for the bad ass inside player, they get the chance to eat up a defender if the defense switches the screen and they get to go inside and post up immediately. If they want to play after college, that's now how the pros play as well. So the guy Johnson from Akron last year who was a great post up player and killed people with his inside out passing turned out to have a weakness associated with that part of bad ass play. Akron found he could be exploited on defense and that their required slow down play to use inside out made it hard for them to play fast when they needed to. This is not completely black and white.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 11:39:21 GMT -6
Oh please just because a guy isn't a "dominating big man" doesn't mean he does other things well. This is just your like stupid comments about recruits helping on defense. Now try and explain why we recruit perimeter players who can't shoot or play the point.
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 27, 2018 12:00:42 GMT -6
I believe we are going to find Hazen will be an elite player! No way unless he’s injured he doesn’t start!
I believe Walton will get to the rim often and will be a lock down defender. He and Teague will be our most athletic.
Moses, Persons, Teague, Mallers, Thompson, Ish are all back and should be better.
I’m hearing that Huggins can be a beast inside and can rebound! Just maybe Huggins is going to provide more than some may believe.
And we have two incoming Freshmen. I look for one to redshirt. By the way, Clark an SEC transfer from Missouri was a very key player for Buffalo much more so than Sellers for our team in my view. Clark’s gone!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 12:18:33 GMT -6
I’m hearing that Huggins can be a beast inside and can rebound! Just maybe Huggins is going to provide more than some may believe. Then he never should have been redshirted.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 27, 2018 12:20:21 GMT -6
As I’ve said before, I’ve heard conflicting reports about Hazen. Not necessarily an impact player. But have heard Walton IS good, but cannot shoot worth a damn. His game will have to be driving to the rim. Which we do need. But teams won’t need to guard him on the perimeter so they could take away the drive more easily.
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