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Post by rmcalhoun on May 27, 2018 20:42:56 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on May 27, 2018 20:48:28 GMT -6
Lots of mistakes about personnel but like you said the gist of the analysis remains the same. Not much hope of a bounce back.
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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2018 21:51:24 GMT -6
Optimistic outlook may be that Riley, maybe a couple of others explode into good players, we get inspired play in key games, and remarkable luck with injury. Might produce a few surprises and a season better than expected.
Not holding breath or betting on it, though.
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Post by cardfan on May 28, 2018 6:51:57 GMT -6
Yeah, too many ifs and buts and maybes and hopes. Nothing concrete to suggest success. And seeing how ill prepared the defense and special teams were— with the coaching staff the same it’s hard to project much success.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2018 7:23:54 GMT -6
Yeah, too many ifs and buts and maybes and hopes. Nothing concrete to suggest success. And seeing how ill prepared the defense and special teams were— with the coaching staff the same it’s hard to project much success. I am not so pessimistic about the staff. It's pretty hard to make much when you have so many injuries and so little experience in some places, not to mention just not having talent.
We all thought early on the team was motivated and even looked pretty good, considering, before the injuries upended the cart.
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Post by bsu0 on May 28, 2018 7:27:13 GMT -6
Guys don't get your hopes up for this season.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 28, 2018 8:30:41 GMT -6
Yeah, too many ifs and buts and maybes and hopes. Nothing concrete to suggest success. And seeing how ill prepared the defense and special teams were— with the coaching staff the same it’s hard to project much success. I am not so pessimistic about the staff. It's pretty hard to make much when you have so many injuries and so little experience in some places, not to mention just not having talent.
We all thought early on the team was motivated and even looked pretty good, considering, before the injuries upended the cart.
I like the staff but we need to see real improvement this year. It does not necessarily have to come from wins although those would be nice. We need to look and play like a team that is getting better. We need to be competitive in the 4th quarter of all MAC games. Getting a handful of wins is realistically an uphill battle but the staff has to find a way so we can keep decent recruits coming/interested. The we have a dream sale is over. If the common Ball State fan can not see easily visible improvement then then the future is not good. |
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Post by thebsukid on May 28, 2018 10:46:11 GMT -6
So how many seasons does a D1 Coach and staff get to turn it around??
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2018 10:56:35 GMT -6
Kid,
You know the answer. This depends a lot on what the school expects, some amount on fan pressure.
I don't see BSU fans having all that much juice. They already don't go to games, give much money. So, it's that the school wants to change, plus appearance of being a loser, they do care about that. To get money, attendance. But they have very limited resources.
I seriously doubt they buy out a coach, especially one with ties.
But, they won't renew unless something gets better. Doubt it has to get THAT good. Hope to compete for championship, top 5 teams. Some momentum up. After that it's marketing to raise revenue.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 28, 2018 11:09:50 GMT -6
So how many seasons does a D1 Coach and staff get to turn it around?? Full recruiting Cycle so that you can play with your kids their senior seasons.. Neu came in late the first year so that does not count 5 years for this staff. If you are not near the top after that going to bowls, Winning Mac games and in the conversation for championships they have to go. If Whit were a football coach he would have canned already |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 28, 2018 11:11:14 GMT -6
So how many seasons does a D1 Coach and staff get to turn it around?? Full recruiting Cycle so that you can play with your kids their senior seasons.. Neu came in late the first year so that does not count 5 years for this staff. If you are not near the top after that going to bowls, Winning Mac games and in the conversation for championships they have to go. If Whit were a football coach he would have canned already. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 28, 2018 11:13:21 GMT -6
So how many seasons does a D1 Coach and staff get to turn it around?? Full recruiting Cycle so that you can play with your kids their senior seasons.. Neu came in late the first year so that does not count 5 years for this staff. If you are not near the top after that going to bowls, Winning Mac games and in the conversation for championships they have to go. If Whit were a football coach he would have canned already No way we extend Neu even if we are competitive this year. Middle of the pack in football will not get it done |
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2018 11:31:04 GMT -6
So how many seasons does a D1 Coach and staff get to turn it around?? Full recruiting Cycle so that you can play with your kids their senior seasons.. Neu came in late the first year so that does not count 5 years for this staff. If you are not near the top after that going to bowls, Winning Mac games and in the conversation for championships they have to go. If Whit were a football coach he would have canned already I think it is the same standard, mostly. And. If Neu does as well he will be renewed. Whit is winning MAC games, has done the equivalent of "going to bowls" which you have to admit isn't that much, you pay to play in a bowl...
The reason Whit might actually get a bit more heat is that basketball fans care more. And I am not so sure he is getting heat, or that Neu will if there is improvement, just as you say above in another post. Championships are what we talk about here. Presidents and AD talk championship too but have to pay for it, and that is a big difference.
If basketball is now out of the cellar it may be feasible to pay just a bit more and improve, so I don't think he has any great job security but he doesn't have to leap over tall buildings either. But buy out on contracts is necessary evil. Schools with money can actually exercise that buy out, we have a hard time.
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Post by cardfan on May 28, 2018 11:33:07 GMT -6
Rebuild jobs are totally different in football. Basketball you should be able to do it no later than year 3 if not sooner. A total rebuild in football can take 3-5 years. Look at fleck at wmu. Terrible his first couple years then dominated the Mac and eventually was in a BCs bowl. We aw the opposite for Lembo. He took the good players already in the program and produced a couple bowl teams. Once those players were gone he was terrible. This is year 3 for Neu. His program has to at least show progress or he won’t make it to year 5. Maybe not even year 4. We’ve got to have evidence his program is moving forward. The new ad might not be as invested in Neu (although Neu was on the search committee that hired her...).
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 28, 2018 11:43:05 GMT -6
Nope like or not Football is the face of Athletics at an FBS School where football is played. Salaries are higher, expenses are more, more coverage from a slew of outlets.. The leash is shorter and tighter for a football staff. Its hard to compare football results to basketball results you can not really do it. If we do though no way Neu would have been extended for doing what Whit has done on the basketball side especially twice.
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