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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2018 20:48:35 GMT -6
4-8 or 5-7....if Whit performed this poorly after this many seasons most would call for his head including me. I understand it takes longer to turn football around but how many years?! We have all answered this 100 times one full recruiting cycle so 4-5 years.. If he cant get something done can him
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Post by bsutony on Jul 23, 2018 22:16:33 GMT -6
4-8 or 5-7....if Whit performed this poorly after this many seasons most would call for his head including me. I understand it takes longer to turn football around but how many years?! Did Whit have good results his first two years? I thought they didn't go so well. This year needs to be a turning point for Neu.
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 24, 2018 10:04:39 GMT -6
Whit turned the corner faster regardless of schedule, but the question I asked is how much longer does it take to recruit a reasonably good football team vs. Basketball.....RM said one recruiting cycle....
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 24, 2018 10:12:26 GMT -6
The rule of thumb is one recruiting with real results being shown when that first class hits their junior year. Neu inherited most of his first class from Lembo so his players are mostly sophomores. All that said we can not lose Mac games like we did last year if we do and someone decides to can him that would be fair.. Someone else will reap the benefits from what we all think was an awesome recruiting class
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 24, 2018 10:16:09 GMT -6
It is also much easier to flip a basketball roster.. One your only dealing with a few players.. Two, freshman can play an integral part asap in basketball. In football outside of running back/Wr Freshman are basically worthless besides an outlier here and there... We had way too many freshman playing critical roles last year. They were not ready but were better than the garbage that was left from Lembo.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jul 24, 2018 10:59:58 GMT -6
It is also much easier to flip a basketball roster.. One your only dealing with a few players.. Two, freshman can play an integral part asap in basketball. In football outside of running back/Wr Freshman are basically worthless besides an outlier here and there... We had way too many freshman playing critical roles last year. They were not ready but were better than the garbage that was left from Lembo. Not only that, the coach has a lot more control of the schedule in bball. If we can't beat the MAC in bball we can schedule a ton of sub-MAC opponents and get wins. If we can't beat the MAC in football the head coach can't do much to soften it up quickly because the schedule is made years in advance. Even if he could, OOC is a smaller percentage of the football schedule.
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Post by realitycheck on Jul 24, 2018 14:29:48 GMT -6
It is also much easier to flip a basketball roster.. One your only dealing with a few players.. Two, freshman can play an integral part asap in basketball. In football outside of running back/Wr Freshman are basically worthless besides an outlier here and there... We had way too many freshman playing critical roles last year. They were not ready but were better than the garbage that was left from Lembo. Majerus went 29-3 in his second season. Whitford went 7-23 with a 17 game losing streak to end the season. I think it may be because recruiters recruit or something like that.
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Post by realitycheck on Jul 24, 2018 14:33:26 GMT -6
4-8 or 5-7....if Whit performed this poorly after this many seasons most would call for his head including me. I understand it takes longer to turn football around but how many years?! Neu's record in his only two seasons thus far is 6-18 or .25%. Whitford's record in his first two seasons was 12-48 or .20%. Did I miss something here, Kid?
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 24, 2018 15:00:47 GMT -6
Depends to some degree how BSU football and basketball programs looked when both Neu and Whit took over how the programs had been doing?? I think football had done much better in the recent past but basketball with Billy and Thompson had actually done worse...I don't know this just my guess. And, Neu is 1-15 in the MAC conference...I won't look up Whit's record...don't need to.
Figures lie and liars figure...or something like that...what did I miss in Neu's MAC record RC?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jul 24, 2018 15:38:56 GMT -6
Depends to some degree how BSU football and basketball programs looked when both Neu and Whit took over how the programs had been doing?? I think football had done much better in the recent past but basketball with Billy and Thompson had actually done worse...I don't know this just my guess. And, Neu is 1-15 in the MAC conference...I won't look up Whit's record...don't need to. Figures lie and liars figure...or something like that...what did I miss in Neu's MAC record RC? The prior head basketball coach had to be fired. The prior head football coach thought it was so hopeless he left voluntarily to take a massive step down in his career. I'm not sure basketball was worse.
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Post by realitycheck on Jul 24, 2018 15:58:27 GMT -6
Depends to some degree how BSU football and basketball programs looked when both Neu and Whit took over how the programs had been doing?? I think football had done much better in the recent past but basketball with Billy and Thompson had actually done worse...I don't know this just my guess. And, Neu is 1-15 in the MAC conference...I won't look up Whit's record...don't need to. Figures lie and liars figure...or something like that...what did I miss in Neu's MAC record RC? Whit's record in MAC first two seasons was 4-32. I was referring to your statement that if Whit had performed as poorly as Neu in his first two seasons many would have been calling for his head, including you. I don't remember you doing that. That was my point. Whitford inherited a program that went 15-15 in back to back years prior to his hiring. Neu inherited a program that went 3-9 and 5-7 in the previous two years. Food for thought. I believe both underachieved in years 1 & 2. Whitford has at least made us respectable again and a contender. Neu needs to do the same this year. We need to be at or close to a .500 team and at least be competitive in conference losses. Rob is correct that we will only go as far as Riley takes us. I hope he has a great year for our sake and for his as well. He's a good kid and has all the physical gifts you could ask for. He just needs to play like a man.
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Post by bsutony on Jul 24, 2018 22:34:54 GMT -6
4-8 or 5-7....if Whit performed this poorly after this many seasons most would call for his head including me. I understand it takes longer to turn football around but how many years?! Neu's record in his only two seasons thus far is 6-18 or .25%. Whitford's record in his first two seasons was 12-48 or .20%. Did I miss something here, Kid? Yeah, that is what I was questioning earlier. The results of the first two seasons are pretty similar and Neu was without his two best players the second year. I'm not sure why he love's Whitford but hates Neu. Maybe he thinks Neu has been around for more than two years?
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 26, 2018 12:00:20 GMT -6
Yes, I actually did think Neu had been around longer...If he goes 5-7 or better I'm fine with Neu but if its another very bad season I'd say its time for a change or drop football altogether and put all monies into bb to try and build a real program.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 26, 2018 12:29:54 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 26, 2018 22:42:08 GMT -6
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