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Post by cardrock on Jul 27, 2018 9:40:35 GMT -6
Yes, I actually did think Neu had been around longer...If he goes 5-7 or better I'm fine with Neu but if its another very bad season I'd say its time for a change or drop football altogether and put all monies into bb to try and build a real program. Hold on here a minute, drop football?!?!?!? I’m new here, but drop football? Shirley you jester you! That was a funny right? The only Neanderthal event in our lives (except for a lucky few in the bedroom) and we go there? Ha-ha you got me...
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Post by frozenbaugh on Jul 27, 2018 11:23:40 GMT -6
Yes, I actually did think Neu had been around longer...If he goes 5-7 or better I'm fine with Neu but if its another very bad season I'd say its time for a change or drop football altogether and put all monies into bb to try and build a real program. Drop football? So we leave the MAC? Where does Ball State go?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 27, 2018 11:30:42 GMT -6
Yes, I actually did think Neu had been around longer...If he goes 5-7 or better I'm fine with Neu but if its another very bad season I'd say its time for a change or drop football altogether and put all monies into bb to try and build a real program. Hold on here a minute, drop football?!?!?!? I’m new here, but drop football? Shirley you jester you! That was a funny right? The only Neanderthal event in our lives (except for a lucky few in the bedroom) and we go there? Ha-ha you got me... He is not joking.... There are a few of him running around that agree.. Do not get them started just ignore them
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 27, 2018 11:39:39 GMT -6
Yes, I actually did think Neu had been around longer...If he goes 5-7 or better I'm fine with Neu but if its another very bad season I'd say its time for a change or drop football altogether and put all monies into bb to try and build a real program. 5-7 is not going to happen.... What we need is to be competitive in the 4th quarter of almost every MAC game. Neu deserves the chance to see these kids play as Juniors. Now if we go out and lose the majority of out MAC games by 3 touchdowns and someone decides to can him I will not argue it.
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 27, 2018 11:52:05 GMT -6
Its not that I do not like football, but BSU does not have the base of support to put a consistent winner on the field in both basketball and football....we have proven that in both sports for several years now.
I say rather than be mediocre in both at best...decide which sport you could likely be dominant in and move forward. I'm simply saying that it would be easier on the collective budgets of both to be more of a consistent winner in basketball....don't get rid of football but drop down a level or two.
I'm confident many will disagree which is fine and what will happen is what always happens... we play both and remain largely average.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 27, 2018 12:11:21 GMT -6
Its not that I do not like football, but BSU does not have the base of support to put a consistent winner on the field in both basketball and football....we have proven that in both sports for several years now. I say rather than be mediocre in both at best...decide which sport you could likely be dominant in and move forward. I'm simply saying that it would be easier on the collective budgets of both to be more of a consistent winner in basketball....don't get rid of football but drop down a level or two. I'm confident many will disagree which is fine and what will happen is what always happens... we play both and remain largely average. .Your point is fine and has some validity here is the problem if you leave the MAC in Football they will drop us in basketball as well. So now your looking for a new conference that may or may not be better than where we are at.. Football is never going to be dropped by choice at BAll State.. What is going to happen is that non power five conferences are going to be pushed out its only a matter of time.. We then end up most likely in something like the FCS that will probably be called something else. That is still not going to save us any money because there are already plenty of FCS schools that spend the same if not more than we do. We would have to drop several "divisions" to really see significant savings and that is just not going to happen at a school Like Ball State.
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Post by thebsukid on Jul 27, 2018 13:03:17 GMT -6
You could very well be right RM, but maybe we could get into a conference like Big East or if thats shooting to high how about American Athletic or Atlantic 10?
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Post by cardrock on Jul 27, 2018 18:09:24 GMT -6
I don’t think dropping football should be on the table at all. The MAC is, & I believe, first in line outside the Power 5, no disrespect to any other conference. To consider removing oneself from the MAC would be somewhat of a self imposed death sentence. Not just football would be impacted, all sports would. Besides think about the financial impact. Currently you’re in a manageable travel expense league with competitive football. What happens if you drop in level and end up with a comparable burden such as even half of what West Virginia deals with? As far as recruiting classes & Neu’s “hot seat” I think he has to be given through next year before anyone talks that way. First class wasn’t really his, he’s just now has his second class on campus. This second class has size and is needs oriented. Got to give him & staff time to get their players ready and playing with a full more balanced and creative playbook. I’m just thankful it’s time to relax & enjoy football.
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Post by bsutony on Jul 27, 2018 22:11:32 GMT -6
Yes, I actually did think Neu had been around longer...If he goes 5-7 or better I'm fine with Neu but if its another very bad season I'd say its time for a change or drop football altogether and put all monies into bb to try and build a real program. 5-7 is not going to happen.... What we need is to be competitive in the 4th quarter of almost every MAC game. Neu deserves the chance to see these kids play as Juniors. Now if we go out and lose the majority of out MAC games by 3 touchdowns and someone decides to can him I will not argue it. 5-7 is definitely possible.
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Post by BSUMike on Jul 28, 2018 16:52:40 GMT -6
My guess is 3 or 4 wins this year. 5 wins is possible because we play in the MAC. Ohio, Toledo, NIU and WMU should be pretty good, but the rest? Not so much. We just need to make plays at the end of games. Looking at the schedule, we could very well be 3-2 after the first 5 games. That said, we could also win 1-2 games if our defense is not significantly better than last year.
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Post by cardrock on Jul 28, 2018 20:00:20 GMT -6
I have to check myself, but I really think this team will surprise some teams.
If not a .500 team, would everyone still be aggressive towards Neu if the loses were <7? <14? Where does a marked improvement impact how the perception changes on the program?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 30, 2018 5:41:26 GMT -6
I don’t think dropping football should be on the table at all. The MAC is, & I believe, first in line outside the Power 5, no disrespect to any other conference. I would put the MAC behind the Mountain West and American. Not much above CUSA, when you look at it top-to-bottom. We have several doormats.
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Post by Bigfoot on Jul 30, 2018 9:02:19 GMT -6
I don’t think dropping football should be on the table at all. The MAC is, & I believe, first in line outside the Power 5, no disrespect to any other conference. I would put the MAC behind the Mountain West and American. Not much above CUSA, when you look at it top-to-bottom. We have several doormats. I think generally that is true but there isn’t much difference IMO. The top half of these leagues are also really similar competively speaking to the bottom half of the P5 leagues.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 30, 2018 9:26:22 GMT -6
It really depends on the year the MAC as whole has been down the last the couple seasons.. Just too man really bad teams at the bottom(us included) there was a long run of years where the MAC was ranked right behind the power 5.. To get back to that we need a strong West and a couple good teams in the east. One could really blame the east for dragging down the conference quite a bit
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Post by Bigfoot on Jul 30, 2018 16:32:15 GMT -6
I agree with the comments above about dropping FB isn’t going to happen and then you really have no place to go.
I can tell you it is not on any agenda of any of ourBOT’s since we joined the MAC in 1975.
I also think the G5 leagues will collectively fight the NCAA powers to keep the current status and they will prevail staying at the highest level.
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