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Post by cardfan on Jan 9, 2019 9:46:57 GMT -6
I guess for me it’s not about the missed free throws in particular or the play of specific players in particular. It’s about the ‘yep, so predictable after beating the pants off Toledo on their floor we’d lose on our home floor to a team that has not been playing well’ thing. It happens to us often. Even to the point Toledo fans predicted it would happen.
We weren’t ready to play. We ultimately adjusted but didn’t do winning things on the floor. Our coach didn’t make winning moves at the end. Our senior leader was bad, as he admitted. I’m not that hung up on physical errors. They happen to everyone.
The question is not how, but why? It’s plagued us the last 4 years when we’ve had better teams. Why? Yes, two scholarship players are out and a third was injured last night. But our bench is unable to provide enough help. Gunn, nehls and Huggins are on scholarship. One of them we don’t dare put it the game, one was unable to do well the one thing he’s capable of, and one played his ass off and hit a big shot but also got beat off the dribble too often. The other is a walk on who plays hard and occasionally has a nice game. But why are we still needing to rely on a walk on so much to fill a void from ONE kid at his position being out? On top of that we have a kid at the guard spot who is redshirting because he’s not ready. If he were ready he’d be out there ahead of or equal to the other guys at the bottom of the bench and would provide additional depth. Why? Why are we so fragile and thin every year that we end up with depth issues?
Why CANT we be dominant? Why do we always seem to be missing something that keeps us from the next step? Why do we so often not control the controllables, such as our effort. Our mentality. Our mindset? Why do we always seem to be not strong enough mentally and sometimes physically? That’s been our make up every year. We tend to fade. We tend to flake out. Why?
Last night was not the end of the season. Not at all. It can still be a really good season. (Ncaa tourney bid would Make it great). What it was though was an alarm to maybe think uh oh, are we gonna do it again this year. Are we going to continue to lose focus and our edge and lose too many games we shouldn’t? Why did we play like that on our home floor in front of a rowdy crowd after playing so well at Toledo? Why? Why does that happen so often?
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 9:48:37 GMT -6
troll, you didn't answer the question. Likely because you didn't ask a question. You made three empirical statements................. I asked who you would hire in his place, oh expert at college basketball coaching and recruiting. by the way, WHAT talent? in 1988, Valpo, IUPUI, IPFW --- none of those were in our competetive set for recruiting, it was Butler, Evansville, and Indiana State...and we got the muncie/delaware county kids...and there were quite a few of them. what muncie/delaware county kids in the last 5-8 years have been great? where did they go play?
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 9:52:00 GMT -6
Likely because you didn't ask a question. You made three empirical statements................. I asked who you would hire in his place, oh expert at college basketball coaching and recruiting. Sheesh, you posted that question AFTER I posted the above response to a previous non-question. Please tell us you don't actually have a degree from BSU. How could anyone possibly answer your coaching question about something that won't happen for at least another two seasons ?
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 9:52:29 GMT -6
Oats makes more than 2x what we pay whitford. Buffalo paid bobby hurley 2x average mac salary, he landed a couple recruits based on his name, and that success got them cj massinburg. yes, buffalo is on a run. in a couple years they'll either be out of the mac or back down to the average. again, what program other than buffalo would you rather have right now? who would YOU hire as Ball State Mens Basketball coach? You obviously think we could do better. So who is it? Zig zag.
answer the question then. we have a barren recruiting landscape, no local talent, no athletic budget, and haven't gotten lucky on a recruit. which is really the way the mac is won now. someone gets lucky with a recruit or two and they have a few good years. we used to be able to get the kids butler or dayton or wright state wanted. that was a long time ago and the world has changed. those schools are in conferences that are better than the MAC, with larger budgets. we keep talking about facilities. our 'great facility' is what, 25 years old now? do we know if it is really 'great' any more?
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 9:54:47 GMT -6
Oats makes more than 2x what we pay whitford. Buffalo paid bobby hurley 2x average mac salary, he landed a couple recruits based on his name, and that success got them cj massinburg. yes, buffalo is on a run. in a couple years they'll either be out of the mac or back down to the average. again, what program other than buffalo would you rather have right now? who would YOU hire as Ball State Mens Basketball coach? You obviously think we could do better. So who is it? Ummmmmmmmm.........................Paying Whitford more won't make him a better coach. just quoting you here where you don't answer the questions, troll.
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 9:56:46 GMT -6
we have a barren recruiting landscape, no local talent, no athletic budget, and haven't gotten lucky on a recruit. Good Lord...........This is like having Dray (The Hawk) back on the board..................
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 9, 2019 9:59:34 GMT -6
I guess for me it’s not about the missed free throws in particular or the play of specific players in particular. It’s about the ‘yep, so predictable after beating the pants off Toledo on their floor we’d lose on our home floor to a team that has not been playing well’ thing. It happens to us often. Even to the point Toledo fans predicted it would happen. We weren’t ready to play. We ultimately adjusted but didn’t do winning things on the floor. Our coach didn’t make winning moves at the end. Our senior leader was bad, as he admitted. I’m not that hung up on physical errors. They happen to everyone. The question is not how, but why? It’s plagued us the last 4 years when we’ve had better teams. Why? Yes, two scholarship players are out and a third was injured last night. But our bench is unable to provide enough help. Gunn, nehls and Huggins are on scholarship. One of them we don’t dare put it the game, one was unable to do well the one thing he’s capable of, and one played his ass off and hit a big shot but also got beat off the dribble too often. The other is a walk on who plays hard and occasionally has a nice game. But why are we still needing to rely on a walk on so much to fill a void from ONE kid at his position being out? On top of that we have a kid at the guard spot who is redshirting because he’s not ready. If he were ready he’d be out there ahead of or equal to the other guys at the bottom of the bench and would provide additional depth. Why? Why are we so fragile and thin every year that we end up with depth issues? Why CANT we be dominant? Why do we always seem to be missing something that keeps us from the next step? Why do we so often not control the controllables, such as our effort. Our mentality. Our mindset? Why do we always seem to be not strong enough mentally and sometimes physically? That’s been our make up every year. We tend to fade. We tend to flake out. Why? Last night was not the end of the season. Not at all. It can still be a really good season. (Ncaa tourney bid would Make it great). What it was though was an alarm to maybe think uh oh, are we gonna do it again this year. Are we going to continue to lose focus and our edge and lose too many games we shouldn’t? Why did we play like that on our home floor in front of a rowdy crowd after playing so well at Toledo? Why? Why does that happen so often?
Exactly.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 9, 2019 10:00:24 GMT -6
we have a barren recruiting landscape, no local talent, no athletic budget, and haven't gotten lucky on a recruit. Good Lord...........This is like having Dray (The Hawk) back on the board.................. Ha. I forgot all about that guy.
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 10:02:57 GMT -6
Why CANT we be dominant? Why do we always seem to be missing something that keeps us from the next step? Why do we so often not control the controllables, such as our effort. Our mentality. Our mindset? Why do we always seem to be not strong enough mentally and sometimes physically? That’s been our make up every year. We tend to fade. We tend to flake out. Why? You answered the question this morning. " Whit says he’d do nothing different ".........................
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 10:03:17 GMT -6
we have a barren recruiting landscape, no local talent, no athletic budget, and haven't gotten lucky on a recruit. Good Lord...........This is like having Dray (The Hawk) back on the board.................. dodge. answer the question. troll. follow up question. who are the best 3 local basketball players to come out of high school in the last 5 years?
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 10:10:07 GMT -6
Good Lord...........This is like having Dray (The Hawk) back on the board.................. dodge. answer the question. troll. follow up question. who are the best 3 local basketball players to come out of high school in the last 5 years? What constitutes 'local"......................? Naw forget it, you are either nuts or an idiot, congrats either way.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 9, 2019 10:19:21 GMT -6
answer the question then. we have a barren recruiting landscape, no local talent, no athletic budget, and haven't gotten lucky on a recruit. which is really the way the mac is won now. someone gets lucky with a recruit or two and they have a few good years. we used to be able to get the kids butler or dayton or wright state wanted. that was a long time ago and the world has changed. those schools are in conferences that are better than the MAC, with larger budgets. we keep talking about facilities. our 'great facility' is what, 25 years old now? do we know if it is really 'great' any more? Barren recruiting landscape? Wtf? Have you not heard the trumpeting of all the Indiana All stars we get? Sure None of them from Muncie but does that make them not count? Are you telling us the entire state of Indiana is a barren recruiting landscape. (While players we ignore or missed on kick our asses on other teams) Moses has turned out to be a good player. He’s from Kentucky. We don’t need to “get lucky” to get a couple of really good players. We need for our coach to be able to close on the top talent we’ve actually had on campus for visits. As a poster close to Trey says, why would any really good big want to play for Whit because of his philosophy of having his post up top passing rather than down low scoring. What have we been missing as much as anything? A dominant big in the paint. We’ve had them on campus but can’t close on them. What else have we been missing? A true floor general point guard. Whit doesn’t really recruit those well either. Bumbalough is his first one. The last kid he brought in as a true point was a juco kid he “fell in love with” after seeing him play. Cept the kid couldn’t play and washed out after a year. You are not going to win the barren landscape argument with us. Whit has also gotten kids out of Illinois. And Ohio. In other words the surrounding started where all of our coaches have traditionally recruited. We are in the MAC, with similar schools in similar situations. Somehow the others seem to overcome their situations. Whit has chosen his philosophy—the job and location didn’t choose it for him. He’s about process rather than winning. He considers the game as no longer post oriented. And therefore not of prime importance Where could we kill Mac teams regularly? In the post. Instead it’s a steady diet of high post pick and roll. When that doesn’t work we got nothing. We don’t have a battery of good perimeter shooters. And don’t call us a top Mac team yet. What’s our highest seed been so far, 4? We’ve been in line for the two seed before and collapsed down the stretch. Losing to A struggling emu team in January is not a good look. We can certainly recover but it doesn’t scream “top Mac team.”
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 10:24:28 GMT -6
dodge. answer the question. troll. follow up question. who are the best 3 local basketball players to come out of high school in the last 5 years? What constitutes 'local"......................? Naw forget it, you are either nuts or an idiot, congrats either way. dodge. troll. go back and answer the other questions. or dodge like a baby, its up to you because the questions are pretty clear. chandler thompson. greg miller. Petey Jackson. Duane Clemons. Bonzi Wells. Rob Robbins. Billy Butts. Mike Spicer. (new castle right?) even now our best player is from kokomo, which is probably also the kid from the closest town to muncie on the roster. without a local star giving us a home team break, when he could go somewhere better, we are what we are. its always been that way, but now its worse when schools like Butler are in the big east and the horizon and MVC conferences are better than the MAC....which wasn't the case back in the 'glory days'.
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 10:29:54 GMT -6
answer the question then. we have a barren recruiting landscape, no local talent, no athletic budget, and haven't gotten lucky on a recruit. which is really the way the mac is won now. someone gets lucky with a recruit or two and they have a few good years. we used to be able to get the kids butler or dayton or wright state wanted. that was a long time ago and the world has changed. those schools are in conferences that are better than the MAC, with larger budgets. we keep talking about facilities. our 'great facility' is what, 25 years old now? do we know if it is really 'great' any more? Barren recruiting landscape? Wtf? Have you not heard the trumpeting of all the Indiana All stars we get? Sure None of them from Muncie but does that make them not count? Are you telling us the entire state of Indiana is a barren recruiting landscape. (While players we ignore or missed on kick our asses on other teams) Moses has turned out to be a good player. He’s from Kentucky. We don’t need to “get lucky” to get a couple of really good players. We need for our coach to be able to close on the top talent we’ve actually had on campus for visits. As a poster close to Trey says, why would any really good big want to play for Whit because of his philosophy of having his post up top passing rather than down low scoring. What have we been missing as much as anything? A dominant big in the paint. We’ve had them on campus but can’t close on them. What else have we been missing? A true floor general point guard. Whit doesn’t really recruit those well either. Bumbalough is his first one. The last kid he brought in as a true point was a juco kid he “fell in love with” after seeing him play. Cept the kid couldn’t play and washed out after a year. You are not going to win the barren landscape argument with us. Whit has also gotten kids out of Illinois. And Ohio. In other words the surrounding started where all of our coaches have traditionally recruited. We are in the MAC, with similar schools in similar situations. Somehow the others seem to overcome their situations. Whit has chosen his philosophy—the job and location didn’t choose it for him. He’s about process rather than winning. He considers the game as no longer post oriented. And therefore not of prime importance Where could we kill Mac teams regularly? In the post. Instead it’s a steady diet of high post pick and roll. When that doesn’t work we got nothing. We don’t have a battery of good perimeter shooters. And don’t call us a top Mac team yet. What’s our highest seed been so far, 4? We’ve been in line for the two seed before and collapsed down the stretch. Losing to A struggling emu team in January is not a good look. We can certainly recover but it doesn’t scream “top Mac team.” I don't think we've ever made the NCAA without a delaware county kid on the roster. what MAC schools are doing it better (other than buffalo right now). what MAC school wouldn't take Moses in a heartbeat? You go out of state and you have to compete with local schools with just as much to offer (plus being local). The entire MAC is in a barren landscape right now. One bid league. The conference has fallen so far and people don't want to admit it. Why would a kid go to the MAC if he has options in the Missouri Valley? they get multiple teams in. Why would anyone choose BSU over Butler now? Before they were Big East we could get those players. It is barren...oversaturated with options for the kids and the state of Indiana high school basketball has never been worse.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 9, 2019 10:38:05 GMT -6
We need to just shut down the program since there’s no hope. (And tell the Big 10 that Indiana high school basketball is horrifyingly bad now so stop fighting over Indiana kids). Tell every school in the country that if they don’t have any players from within a 10 mile radius of campus they can just forget about being good.
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