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Trey Moses
Nov 30, 2015 22:29:09 GMT -6
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 30, 2015 22:29:09 GMT -6
William...I am going to respond simply by saying because you lead in one statistical category doesn't really make u a better player does it?!
I loved Lonnie as a good defender and a fair rebounder but not a scorer?! I'll bet you any amount that Moses scoring average is greater than Lonnies for 4 years and I believe rebounds will be very close. Edge slightly to Lonnie for blocks. But, you did not put Moses in the same class?? We differ on this but time will tell
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 30, 2015 22:54:05 GMT -6
General, I am curious as to whether your determination of Moses' general potential means you have made a determination on whether Whitford is worth keeping past year 3.
Perhaps I remember this incorrectly, but I thought you had said something about Moses and Teague (the elusive big-man recruits, and maybe you even want to throw Wells into that mix) playing quite a role in your final evaluation of whether Whit's the guy or we should look elsewhere for a coach. Well, we've heard Teague is talented but isn't good enough to play on this team, thus his redshirt. You've apparently reached a conclusion on Moses. And Wells is playing behind Moses.
So are you ready to walk out on that limb this early in year 3?
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 1, 2015 7:32:12 GMT -6
Baiting the bear?
Let's also announce we are dropping football and cancelling all women's sports?
With the resulting student fee money freed up, and maybe by firing most of the athletic department staff, perhaps we could then hire Larry Brown or Rick Pitino who would find a way to recruit the players we want.
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 1, 2015 9:19:49 GMT -6
I agree with the General a lot more than I disagree with him. He certainly makes a helluva lot more sense than some other folks in a lot of areas.
He seemed definitive in his opinion about Moses so I just thought I'd ask. I have no problem with him waiting until the end of the year to issue his proclamation.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 1, 2015 9:54:47 GMT -6
The redshirt of Teague throws a real monkey wrench into the assessment. That was totally unexpected. So, as far as Whitford's frontline recruiting, we have this: Moses - Better than I expected pre-season. As I have stated, I think his upside is as a potential starter on a championship team...not a bad thing to be. However if he is our best big man in three years, I think we will be behind 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 other MAC teams and thus be at a major disadvantage in competing for a championship. That's my current projection but I'm glad to have another 4 months to look at Moses. Teague -  ?? This situation is both baffling and disturbing. I'm afraid there is a good chance he will never play here. Hopefully things will be clarified by the end of the season...clarified in a good way, I mean. How do if factor this into the 3-year Whitford assessment? Uhhhh....ask me later. Wells - total non-factor in the assessment. Here is yet another good example of how hard it is to evaluate recruits before they get here. One thing that seemed pretty clear over the summer was that Teague was better than Moses. The all-star situation allowed a pretty direct comparison. Teague was a key, productive member of the Indiana team that beat Kentucky twice. Teague went 6 pt 11 reb and 8 pt 7 reb in the two games. Moses did not make the losing KY team. Not often do you get such a direct comparison between two recruits unless they go head to head. Now, 6 months later, Moses gets decent PT and Teague needs to redshirt? As I have said, something is going on here. Two other enormous factors are 1) who might Whitford sign in the spring, and 2) what will our season results be? So, I'm glad I don't have to walk out on the limb today. But by the end of the third season, once the Moses, Teague, spring signing, and 2015-16 results situations are all clarified, I think the limb will be thick enough to walk on in safety. |
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Post by comet on Dec 1, 2015 10:23:57 GMT -6
I do agree, General, that there is more to the Teague story than what we know. I hope it all turns about well, but certainly have my concerns. Moses has shortfalls, but he has some really nice upsides for a guy just seven games into the frosh season. Definitely think he is a keeper. Do we have only one scholarship left for next year ?? |
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Post by rusty on Dec 1, 2015 10:38:38 GMT -6
Medical redshirt he broke his foot over the summer it takes longer than a month or two to heal and a few months to rehabilitate. Why waste a year sitting the bench 90% of the season. You never redshirt a poor player it's usually one with talent an potential. |
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 1, 2015 11:10:40 GMT -6
Yes, to much is being made of Teague...Coach and player decided together...plain and simple...get stronger from the injury, put on some weight and strength, and learn the system....and oh by the way get the GRADES up!!!
If he makes grades he will be here next year and could very well be the Freshman of the Year in the MAC..
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 1, 2015 11:29:40 GMT -6
Medical redshirt he broke his foot over the summer it takes longer than a month or two to heal and a few months to rehabilitate. Why waste a year sitting the bench 90% of the season. You never redshirt a poor player it's usually one with talent an potential. That may well have slowed his adjustment to college basketball. But, don't forget Teague is not a Center and would fight for PT with Sellers, Weber, House and Calhoun. Moses is a Center where there are more minutes available. |
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Post by jam on Dec 1, 2015 11:30:56 GMT -6
Medical redshirt he broke his foot over the summer it takes longer than a month or two to heal and a few months to rehabilitate. Why waste a year sitting the bench 90% of the season. You never redshirt a poor player it's usually one with talent an potential. Exactly. Look how much Davis was impacted last year by the foot injury. I'm not sure he ever recovered by the end of the season. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 1, 2015 12:02:28 GMT -6
Whitford stated in the paper that the injury was not a factor. One of you guys should call him up and correct him.
I'm thinking we could use the leading rebounder from the Indiana all-star team, but again, you guys seem to know better.
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 1, 2015 12:34:46 GMT -6
I'm only stating what I was told by a source in the Know.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 1, 2015 12:40:09 GMT -6
I'm only stating what I was told by a source in the Know. Are you saying grades ARE part of the equation? |
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 1, 2015 13:07:26 GMT -6
No, Cardfan, what I was trying to say is Coach, Player, and Family together elected to Redshirt....
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 1, 2015 13:26:52 GMT -6
Whitford stated in the paper that the injury was not a factor. One of you guys should call him up and correct him. I'm thinking we could use the leading rebounder from the Indiana all-star team, but again, you guys seem to know better. Whitford's comments were focused on the benefits of sitting out. Teague's physical status NOW does not prevent him from playing, he is cleared to play full speed, physically. But. Missing practice and the preseason trip had an impact on adjustment to college basketball and development. The problem is more that he needed a little more time to adjust the speed of the college game, and if he would play would not play as well at first as anyone would like, due to the injury delay going full speed. Even later in the season, as he adjusts, he might not get all that much time at the position he plays. There are good players at forward, and he is not a center. If sitting out lets him concentrate on physical development and academics, which would be helpful to any freshman, and if playing would not be that much value, is it worth it to have the additional depth? The leading rebounder from the HS all star team could add a little something, but we happen to have two good power forwards and two good small forwards, so how much would we really expect? Moses happens to contribute a little more in that rebounding department and can defend the post at 235-240 pounds compared to Teagues slim build. Watch a practice. You will see a good all around player but also see how he compares to the other big guys at this point in his physical development, and that he may not quite be ready to outplay our perimeter players at this level. He gets time to add some beef and benefits greatly from a year to figure out how to use all his talent. With Bo gone next year and with a year of physical development he will be fine. We will be fine. Moses, Teague, House along with Weber and Sellers and I hope a good big recruit to join with Mallers will be a good front line next year. That could be one of the most deep and talented front courts we have ever had. One or more good players in every class and every position covered, some with multiple good players. (I would like and expect us to add a backup Center, or inside oriented forward with size.) Part of your problem with this decision is that you under rate the guys he has to share PT with. If you continue to look at them as second rate I understand how a first rate freshman might seem more important. |
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?? This situation is both baffling and disturbing. I'm afraid there is a good chance he will never play here. Hopefully things will be clarified by the end of the season...clarified in a good way, I mean. How do if factor this into the 3-year Whitford assessment? Uhhhh....ask me later.
