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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 5:57:35 GMT -6
If mid-majors dropped football, there would be some awesome women's soccer stadiums in the NCAA. Just sayin'
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 7:54:44 GMT -6
If mid-majors dropped football, there would be some awesome women's soccer stadiums in the NCAA. Just sayin' The cost of adding men's soccer is relatively small. Open the stadium to youth soccer. Soccer is the sport of the future for mid majors.
Not the only choice I suppose. Intercollegiate flag FB, Rugby, Quidditch The possibilities are endless.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 16, 2020 8:06:48 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 8:47:38 GMT -6
No contradiction at all. I communicate with other donors. I hear what their wishes are. I am not in the inside . And obviously you communicate with "all" the other donors to the university, which is how you know your statement is true, and not just a small sampling of like-minded football fans, which might lead you to make possibly erroneous claims. This invites a long post...
Short answer. Mills, you are right it is not easy to tell. And really hard to say whether somebody might have given to BSU if a sports gift was not in the picture.
Many value their own participation in sports and remember that and are enthusiastic to contribute. But, I am not so sure we wouldn't have received gifts for other purposes from those donors.
History is not quite as clear as it seems. A big change and the biggest dark cloud on the horizon is not dropping FB but the change in Tax law that decreases the incentive to give to charity.
Mills is right too about donor preference. It is not clear. On various fund raising campaigns I have called a lot of donors and in some cases donors where the gift was to be directed just for athletics.
Of course if you look at the growth of the University from 1970 to present we are in the prime time to solicit funds from the increased number of male graduates hitting 70, or who have large estates... Good for the university to have football back then. Good that men were big football fans then!
But. Even in that group more giving is now going outside athletics.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 8:48:08 GMT -6
OK now the long winded part.
The largest gifts are often designated for brick and mortar, with naming rights. A few large gifts to athletics stand out. But. Don't discount the academic buildings that have a lot of money invested from giving, maybe more than sports facilities. And sports facilities like Worthen Arena where sports donors have contributed are multi use, with that use leveraging gifts by spending state money and using bonding authority.
By far the easiest fund raising call is to a donor for scholarships in their major or college. Small gifts add up there, but larger gifts come for that purpose. Some large gifts are unrestricted and some even intended not to be used for brick and mortar, like Wally Miller's gift for the business college.
There seems no doubt we'd lose some money without being able to see it go to athletics, and now a lot of that by dollar volume is in FB. Still, looking at the graduates who are highly successful and able to make large gifts, you find them in a variety of majors which made that gift possible, and variety of other sports. . In the future I'd look not just at fan preferences but at the financial demographic of athletes.
Who is going to have the money?
Rignt now, no doubt scholarship and participation in athletics is tilted to FB. More graduates thankful for football. Much of that giving was no doubt from football players who played FB. Back when BSU was playing with Indiana kids on scholarship and competed in small time conference football. Much of that 1960-1975.
Look ahead. With more recruits who are not Indiana born and bred and don't stay in Indiana, and who are as a group likely less likely to be Accounting or premed, or other high income potential majors, I am not so sure we see the big gifts for FB from former players.
I am also not sure we won't see more gifts from Women's athletics down the road. Probably more than from football athletes. There is potential there for a lot of future success for those graduates. A lot of the women participating are good students in high income majors. You expect the greatest amount of giving 40-50 years after graduation. Title IX has increased participation in a big way starting in the '80's.
I'd be soliciting money from Accounting and premed majors and the like from the years 1980-present than from graduates identified as football fans, despite FB having had it's greatest years in that period.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 16, 2020 12:02:58 GMT -6
"I am also not sure we won't see more gifts from Women's athletics down the road. Probably more than from football athletes. There is potential there for a lot of future success for those graduates. A lot of the women participating are good students in high income majors."
Given how much money we can definitely see is lost every year from athletics, I think the burden of proof should be on athletics supporters to show this is significantly offset by future gifts. I'm pretty sure they can never produce the proof because the offset just isn't there.
And here's an idea: if you expect future gifts from "good students in high income majors", why don't you give the scholarships and funding to good students in high income majors, rather than to girls who can hit a softball or do flips on a balance beam, who may or may not be good students in high income majors?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 13:03:29 GMT -6
"I am also not sure we won't see more gifts from Women's athletics down the road. Probably more than from football athletes. There is potential there for a lot of future success for those graduates. A lot of the women participating are good students in high income majors."And here's an idea: if you expect future gifts from "good students in high income majors", why don't you give the scholarships and funding to good students in high income majors, rather than to girls who can hit a softball or do flips on a balance beam, who may or may not be good students in high income majors? A lot of women in our athletic programs are both. Moreover they are far more often choosing the university with academics as a deciding factor and valuing the scholarship for that reason than their male counterpart. The 85 scholarships in FB are not only less likely to be in those high earning majors, but the athlete is more often motivated by the chance to compete than for academics.
There are two things going on, ability to pay and connection to BSU that endures.
Identification with the university is very high for athletes. An athlete in a high income profession is a great target for fund raising. In the fairly near future we will see women more important in fund raising.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 17, 2020 7:24:06 GMT -6
If you get President Mearns' email updates, this morning's was a doozy.
Athletics is going to be a slaughterhouse. As is most of campus.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 17, 2020 7:44:08 GMT -6
It’s ugly. Got a pit in my stomach immediately. The future is not looking good at all for a lot of programs, services and people.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 17, 2020 10:29:55 GMT -6
It’s ugly. Got a pit in my stomach immediately. The future is not looking good at all for a lot of programs, services and people. The pain of cuts would be distributed differently if we go online. Faculty and professional cuts would be less severe. Although the hiring freeze is going to hurt where somebody retires. Some management cuts along with staff would bear more burden if online.
If on campus classes meet then you need many more support and maintenance staff. Program cuts and tenured faculty even might be vulnerable due to the financial exigency exception to tenure.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 17, 2020 19:58:24 GMT -6
someone pm me the email
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 21, 2020 12:05:48 GMT -6
Louisville just announced that they'll be cutting 15% from its athletic budget.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 21, 2020 12:13:15 GMT -6
Urbana university closing for good
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 21, 2020 12:15:32 GMT -6
Best thing for BSU would be for the Ncaa to flat out cancel football for this year.. Saves us millions start fresh next year.. I hate it but it would be better than one of the other alternatives
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 13:18:41 GMT -6
Urbana university closing for good Urbana has been hurting financially for a long time. Franklin University (Columbus, OH) acquired them back in 2014 in a bail out attempt. Since then, it has been Urbana University in name only. In reality, it was a satellite campus of Franklin. |
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