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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 16, 2020 18:53:33 GMT -6
I dont think a lot said Teague could not play there talent wise.. A lot said Teague needed to get his head out of his ass for the most part he did
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 19:15:54 GMT -6
My memory is naysayers moaned about not having a center and that Teague was a wing.
Teague "played there" but not a traditional post man who established position and muscles the ball up.
He was moving much of the time he got the ball or scored by moving after.
You could have a good inside scorer who was 6-3 who played that way. Your 6-10 center may play outside, shoot 3's. Go figure.
If we get enough outside to open things up, he proved with Teague you can get inside scoring from other than a traditional way.
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 16, 2020 19:30:11 GMT -6
The reality is we graduated a first team 4 and we don’t have any proven inside game to replace him. And, we don’t have proven outside shooting to play this outside in game you’re touting. I have no doubt we will chuck a bunch of threes because that’s Whitfords process but I don’t believe we are better next year without Teague, Ish and Mallers and with the two guys we signed. Is that what you’re trying to litigate with all of your posts?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 19:40:23 GMT -6
The reality is we graduated a first team 4 and we don’t have any proven inside game to replace him. And, we don’t have proven outside shooting to play this outside in game you’re touting. I have no doubt we will chuck a bunch of threes because that’s Whitfords process but I don’t believe we are better next year without Teague, Ish and Mallers and with the two guys we signed. Is that what you’re trying to litigate with all of your posts? No. I'd be surprised if we are better, too. Lose 3 starters like that it's rash to predict we are in the top 2 in the conference.
But I think our outside shooting may surprise you, and think the bigger issue losing Teague is not his scoring but his inside defense.
That is concern I have.
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 16, 2020 21:25:07 GMT -6
And who is going to rebound, both offensive and defensive rebounds? We were often beaten badly on the boards even with Teague.
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 16, 2020 21:56:14 GMT -6
A really messed-up article on Jones and Windham. www.thestarpress.com/story/sports/college/ball-state/2020/04/16/indiana-basketball-stars-sign-ball-state-cardinals-transfers/5144886002/By messed-up, I mean it seems to imply that Jones will be a senior next year who may have to red-shirt a year before he can play. I'm 99% sure (please correct me if I'm wrong) Jones is a graduate transfer who will be eligible immediately after playing 2 years at Western Michigan, sitting a red-shirt year at Tulsa, and then playing 1 year at Tulsa. How the hell can a reporter get those basic facts wrong? There is a tidbit at the end about Whitford thinking he will eventually sign 2 more players in obvious areas of need, but he will not say what those areas of obvious need are. Like we all have not noticed a lack of a front court player and PG. The article also makes it sound like Walton's 6th year of eligibility is a done deal. Based on getting the basic facts on Jones wrong, I wonder how much faith to put into that?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2020 23:29:47 GMT -6
Walton is very very likely a done deal. Surprised about Jones needing a waiver. If he is not a graduate but in good academic standing, without disciplinary issues then he would be in a similar situation to Ish playing immediately somewhere, which depends on the new NCAA transfer rule which allows transfer without red shirt.
That rule clearly applies to Windham and says four benchmarks to transfer and play immediately: (1) receive a release from their previous school; (2) leave their previous school academically eligible; (3) maintain their academic progress at their new school; and (4) leave under no disciplinary suspension.
That requires release from the previous school.
It is referred to as "a one time transfer rule," Jones has transferred once before which may be a technical problem. But that previous transfer had the requirement to sit out a year.
Given the new rule coming into existence and Jones meeting all 4 of those requirements this may just be a technicality. The principle behind the new rule would seem to be to allow the transfer. One transfer free, one with a red shirt 4 years play in a 5 year period.
Even the old rules might grant waiver. Unpredictsble. It was applied very inconsistently.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 17, 2020 2:26:36 GMT -6
I would think that if the transfer rule is voted on and approved for this year windham would be able to p lu at this year same as Ish would be able too. The second way would for windham to claim the ole family hardship waiver meaning his family needed him closer to home. This is the goto waiver in football.. Jones should be no issue at all simple grad transfer
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Post by cardfan on Apr 17, 2020 5:16:58 GMT -6
I’ve read several times that Jones will have to petition for immediate eligibility. So, is he not a grad transfer by now. If not, how’d he manage to not be one after 4 years in school? I could have sworn he was coming as a grad transfer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 6:25:02 GMT -6
I keep reading how our outside shooting is going to improve, so I did a little quick statistical mining to measure the effect.
We led the MAC in chucking up 3's this year, but we were T9 in % (.328) Assuming that we shoot the same number of 3's (since we shoot the most anyway) and improve our % to .360 (from T9 to #3 in MAC), We would make 15 more 3 point shots and score 45 more MAC points. That would improve our scoring average by 2.5 points per MAC game and move us from 8th in MAC scoring avg. to 8th in MAC scoring avg.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 17, 2020 7:13:10 GMT -6
I keep reading how our outside shooting is going to improve, so I did a little quick statistical mining to measure the effect. We led the MAC in chucking up 3's this year, but we were T9 in % (.328) Assuming that we shoot the same number of 3's (since we shoot the most anyway) and improve our % to .360 (from T9 to #3 in MAC), We would make 15 more 3 point shots and score 45 more MAC points. That would improve our scoring average by 2.5 points per MAC game and move us from 8th in MAC scoring avg. to 8th in MAC scoring avg. One issue with this analysis is that those leaving were 171-475 36% and those returning were 112-367 31%.
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 17, 2020 8:25:09 GMT -6
I’ve read several times that Jones will have to petition for immediate eligibility. So, is he not a grad transfer by now. If not, how’d he manage to not be one after 4 years in school? I could have sworn he was coming as a grad transfer. So my basic question is if Jones didn't, or fails to graduate from Tulsa, and fails to get the waiver does he ever get to play basketball at BSU?
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 17, 2020 9:16:58 GMT -6
A really messed-up article on Jones and Windham. www.thestarpress.com/story/sports/college/ball-state/2020/04/16/indiana-basketball-stars-sign-ball-state-cardinals-transfers/5144886002/By messed-up, I mean it seems to imply that Jones will be a senior next year who may have to red-shirt a year before he can play. I'm 99% sure (please correct me if I'm wrong) Jones is a graduate transfer who will be eligible immediately after playing 2 years at Western Michigan, sitting a red-shirt year at Tulsa, and then playing 1 year at Tulsa. How the hell can a reporter get those basic facts wrong? There is a tidbit at the end about Whitford thinking he will eventually sign 2 more players in obvious areas of need, but he will not say what those areas of obvious need are. Like we all have not noticed a lack of a front court player and PG. The article also makes it sound like Walton's 6th year of eligibility is a done deal. Based on getting the basic facts on Jones wrong, I wonder how much faith to put into that? It is my understanding that Jones IS NOT a grad transfer. I don't believe he has his degree and I'm guessing they will use the CoVID hardship as the reason in their petition. I would gather that the NCAA will be pretty loose on allowing transfers back to home area again given the pandemic situation and disruption of schools so Windham also probably gets to play. Good for them and good for us because we will certainly need their depth. A word of caution on these guys and any other signees. Past history would tell us it takes a year or more in the "process" to be a reliable and significant contributor. Coleman was FOY, but keep in mind he redshirted so he had a full year of acclimation.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 17, 2020 9:35:41 GMT -6
"A word of caution on these guys and any other signees. Past history would tell us it takes a year or more in the "process" to be a reliable and significant contributor."
No, no, no. Jeez, RC, have you been living in a cave for the last two decades? That reasoning is always used retroactively for an EXCUSE, never looking forward for EXPECTATIONS. Did you just start following BSU basketball yesterday>
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 17, 2020 9:52:51 GMT -6
"A word of caution on these guys and any other signees. Past history would tell us it takes a year or more in the "process" to be a reliable and significant contributor."
No, no, no. Jeez, RC, have you been living in a cave for the last two decades? That reasoning is always used retroactively for an EXCUSE, never looking forward for EXPECTATIONS. Did you just start following BSU basketball yesterday> I posted a couple days ago, Shermster, that the 2030's are gonna be Whitford's decade! To his credit, he reached the 100 win plateau in less than ten years here so we got that goin for us!
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