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Post by rmcalhoun on May 1, 2020 17:55:23 GMT -6
So this is a smart guy conversation.. My question is if Indiana is planning on being fully open by July 4th(from what I read this includes sports) and other states are near the same... Are we going to play some football. I think we are opening too soon but its always about money
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2020 18:05:36 GMT -6
Up to the President probably, open is not an order but permission. Plus the gov said decision on schools comes July.
And fully opened is a goal not a commitment. Just a bit more than hope.
We know nothing more now than before.
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Post by cardfan on May 1, 2020 18:12:08 GMT -6
Given the number of people I see out in public who clearly do not give a shit already we could see continued increasing rates of cases and deaths. But, I’m hoping the opposite occurs. And I’m praying the assisted living facility where my mom lives remains clean.
Still hard to fathom full scale football by August.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 1, 2020 18:18:09 GMT -6
Given the number of people I see out in public who clearly do not give a shit already we could see continued increasing rates of cases and deaths. But, I’m hoping the opposite occurs. And I’m praying the assisted living facility where my mom lives remains clean. Still hard to fathom full scale football by August. I agree Ive been home for the last however many weeks and go back to my real Job on Monday. Im not looking forward to it for many reasons. Im just hoping this is not a shut it down reopen shut it down reopen scenario |
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Post by cardfan on May 1, 2020 18:44:50 GMT -6
I’m at risk, but I think once things are reopened, unless there is widespread death and dying, we may as well just keep going. What’s really going to suck is the projected second wave in the fall.
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2020 20:04:11 GMT -6
Given the number of people I see out in public who clearly do not give a shit already we could see continued increasing rates of cases and deaths. But, I’m hoping the opposite occurs. And I’m praying the assisted living facility where my mom lives remains clean. Still hard to fathom full scale football by August. I agree Ive been home for the last however many weeks and go back to my real Job on Monday. Im not looking forward to it for many reasons. Im just hoping this is not a shut it down reopen shut it down reopen scenario
It shows 3 possible patterns for recurrence, each possible, but the most likely one is the Fall recurrence. This size of the peaks depends on mitigation efforts. There is almost certain to be recurrence of some kind.
Even with vaccine and treatment we probably see recurrence in one of the 3 patterns. We are unlikely to eliminate the virus, but can keep it manageable.
The difference with past flu is mostly the deadly nature and the longer period an infected person is contagious. This means it's tough to knock it back and the cost of not doing it is higher.
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2020 20:21:12 GMT -6
A Free Society means that those uncomfortable with working may choose to continue not to do so. A Free Society also means that those wanting to work should not be arbitrarily prevented by the government from doing so. This is not an arbitrary prevention of working.
A society has to balance individual freedom against the safety of others. Your freedom to do something should be limited when it endangers others fatally. In this case unless we cooperate with each other we likely face a very large number of deaths.
We have to delay the progress of the disease until we have treatment and means to mitigate in a more sophisticated way by testing, contact tracing and quarantine which will control the carnage. It has to be some combination of acquired immunity PLUS vaccine PLUS treatment to reduce fatalities.
For those saying the answer is herd immunity. "Let a few die." This virus is fatal too often. Take a look here See the graph of what a large percentage of the population is infected. Herd immunity requires 50-70% of the population infected. Infection continues after "herd immunity" and if we have 80% of the population infected as a result we see millions of deaths, a substantial number even in the non vulnerable population where we may see <1% mortality.
That is not a few...
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2020 20:32:31 GMT -6
I’m at risk, but I think once things are reopened, unless there is widespread death and dying, we may as well just keep going. What’s really going to suck is the projected second wave in the fall. To some extent true. But even in Indiana we are moving slowly. Too fast I think but better than Georgia at least. That part about no widespread death is a risky bet. We could see more New Yorks if we aren't careful. Just hope we can put the brakes on reopen if we see anything like that. Allowing large crowds at sports in the Fall still seems doubtful to do. |
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on May 1, 2020 22:11:23 GMT -6
Given the number of people I see out in public who clearly do not give a shit already we could see continued increasing rates of cases and deaths. But, I’m hoping the opposite occurs. And I’m praying the assisted living facility where my mom lives remains clean. Still hard to fathom full scale football by August. I know a family who had 35 people at their house for Easter dinner. I'm getting really sick of dipshits bragging about how they aren't following any of the guidelines and how they're doing the same things they've always done, saying things like "wE cAn'T LiVe iN fEaR!" I'm not afraid of getting the virus, I'm afraid of giving it to my high-risk family members. Seriously, the "I ain't scerd of no beer flu!" crowd can go pound sand. (That meme would be funnier if it wasn't so accurate where I live) |
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Post by chirpchirpcards on May 2, 2020 8:07:53 GMT -6
So this is a smart guy conversation.. My question is if Indiana is planning on being fully open by July 4th(from what I read this includes sports) and other states are near the same... Are we going to play some football. I think we are opening too soon but its always about moneyLooking at the time table it's not just about the money, but it's at least 25-30% driven by the need to have IMS open by the 4th. With the NASCAR/IndyCar double-header at the speedway there's the possibility of 80-120k fans for the weekend, with up to half of those coming from outside the donut counties. That's not the same haul that the 500 would bring in, but that will still be a significant revenue bump for the city. Indianapolis stays closed beyond July 4th and all that goes away. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 9:40:47 GMT -6
You're all going to die because of the money-grubbing elite!
Yes, there will be an increase in cases and there will be "Not Zero" deaths. You can all stay in your homes and say "I told you so" and be the winners.
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Post by 00hmh on May 2, 2020 11:36:58 GMT -6
You're all going to die because of the money-grubbing elite! Yes, there will be an increase in cases and there will be "Not Zero" deaths. You can all stay in your homes and say "I told you so" and be the winners. So I take it you are going out to be part of the large crowds. But the issue here is not whether you enough of a skeptic to abandon all social distancing efforts and pay a price.
The issue is whether the rest of society has to pay the price for large numbers of people who are willing to take a risk for themselves and ignore the risk they create for others by bringing back large scale infection.
It is not even close to "zero deaths" if we are not careful, your risk of death is not the important thing in this.
I don't buy this individual choice argument when the choice the individual takes brings risks to the entire community. Even when the vulnerable population is careful, the greater risk could overcome their best efforts. Greater risk that need not exist.
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Post by thebsukid on May 3, 2020 19:22:27 GMT -6
I’d suggest that the BSU Health Center and Ball Memorial Hospital have appropriate supplies and procedures in place in the event of a Fall outbreak.
We could also do temperature testing and other procedures prior to admission into buildings
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2020 20:33:04 GMT -6
I’d suggest that the BSU Health Center and Ball Memorial Hospital have appropriate supplies and procedures in place in the event of a Fall outbreak. We could also do temperature testing and other procedures prior to admission into buildings I'd suggest it too. I hope you are right.
Just not sure that is enough to protect the vulnerable population that is going to be exposed, including a fair number of students, faculty, staff and others who visit campus.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 4, 2020 6:28:49 GMT -6
What's with people deleting their accounts?
Anyway, there will be a recurrence. A worse recurrence than if we had stayed open.
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