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Post by williamtsherman on May 6, 2020 15:03:37 GMT -6
This is the typical pattern. When called out on his more idiotic statements, he first tries to pretend the whole thing isn't happening. "What about systematic attempts to punish those who disagree? This is the behavior in Russia, or China, or North Korea, or tin pot dictators in South America who control the press and long ago dissolved any democratically elected legislature that might thwart them. "
Do me a favor. Describe what you believe is the absolute WORST instance of Trump's "systematic attempts to punish those who disagree". Go back and Google through whatever media and internet sources it is that you parrot, if need be.
Because I want to laugh at how ludicrously exaggerated your comparison is with the repressive dictatorships you mentioned.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 6, 2020 17:40:06 GMT -6
They way I understood it was everyone expects the number of cases to rise but the focus will change to hospitalizations. More and easier testing being the cause
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2020 18:46:34 GMT -6
They way I understood it was everyone expects the number of cases to rise but the focus will change to hospitalizations. More and easier testing being the cause Maybe not hospitalization, but isolation and contact tracing to limit spread from cases discovered promptly. I think we are too early for this to work. Too many asymptomatic cases and testing only available right now for symptomatic cases and their close contacts. That makes it impossible to contain cases.
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2020 19:15:16 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on May 6, 2020 21:01:26 GMT -6
00hmh is being called out for his idiotic partisan statement, but declines to respond. Ordinarily he has minimum of 5 paragraphs to say about the most trivial of topics, but has nothing to say about this. Of course, the only thing he really CAN say is "yeah that was pretty stupid" but his vanity won't allow that. He's painted himself into a corner of shame and has to just sit there and be insulted. A good lesson for him that echo chamber nonsense needs to stay in the echo chamber.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 7, 2020 5:56:08 GMT -6
You should see Reddit's politics section. Even posting a centrist comment gets down voted into oblivion, it's so hard left and filled with idealistic, inexperienced kids with no concept of the real world.
Kinda like college.
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Post by 00hmh on May 7, 2020 6:14:08 GMT -6
I made a one sentence response which seems adequate.
This is too much about politics and the substance not that interesting to take further.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 7, 2020 7:02:28 GMT -6
Ah, I see. Compare the current administration to the world's worst and most repressive dictatorships, then when called out, say "this is too much about politics". I think we all know that by "not that interesting to take further ", you mean "completely embarrassing". I was really hoping your inability to admit a mistake would cause you to respond with some desperate and hilariously lame retorts, but I guess even you can see how hopeless your position is.
Hopefully you will learn from this ass-kicking that many of the hysterical, hate-crazed things you can say and think about the administration in your usual circles are liable to be called out and exposed by more rational and even-keeled people.
Rest assured that in the current situation, with people at all levels having to make crucial decisions under conditions of great uncertainty and through the method of trial and error, you and your like-minded left wing friends will have ample opportunity to work yourself into a frenzy of hatred and indignation over things the administration does, and continue to share these sorts of wack-job thoughts with each other.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 7, 2020 7:12:05 GMT -6
This is about the governor (and president) trying to balance public health and economic concerns.
It's also about your unrealistic expectations of being able to keep everyone imprisoned with no consequences.
We blew past 20% unemployment in April. 30% is probable. Over 33 million jobs lost, with no definitive timeline for them coming back. Many of them will never come back, as business are going bankrupt left and right, more as the lockdown drags on.
You can't keep Americans holed up indefinitely. We're risk-takers by nature, or at least we used to be. We're devolving into a "safety net for everything" mentality, which will knock us off our status as a world leader. We're a capitalist society, and if people aren't spending, people aren't earning, and the engine stops with disastrous results for years. And not just economically. As liberals like to remind us continually, the people most at risk are the ones suffering most. Low-income service jobs are hardest hit, but it's creeping up into middle incomes as well. Some of the people will get angry, depressed, desperate. Not a good outcome.
But it's easy to draw a paycheck, sit at home "working", and tell us it's for our own good. Because science says so.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 8, 2020 18:43:47 GMT -6
We're a capitalist society, Are we?
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Post by 00hmh on May 9, 2020 8:22:28 GMT -6
You can't keep Americans holed up indefinitely. We're risk-takers by nature, or at least we used to be. We're devolving into a "safety net for everything" mentality, which will knock us off our status as a world leader. We're a capitalist society, and if people aren't spending, people aren't earning, and the engine stops with disastrous results for years. And not just economically. As liberals like to remind us continually, the people most at risk are the ones suffering most. Low-income service jobs are hardest hit, but it's creeping up into middle incomes as well. Some of the people will get angry, depressed, desperate. Not a good outcome. My concern is that we have opened up in Indiana 2-3 weeks early. The only thing indefinite is that we don't know whether we meet the governor's own guidelines, much less the President's or the CDC's.
The result will certainly be more lives lost, the question is how many, quite a gamble. But the economics may be bad as well. If it is the low income who are hurt more, we should address that. A few weeks support for small business may turn out to be a small cost. If we see the spike that is possible, we will have another lengthy mitigation required.
IF we had testing in place and IF we adhered to the governor's guidelines of social distance while we are opening and IF we have the guts to close down again quickly as the Governor's plan calls for we can make a mistake and maybe survive it with less cost. So far it is not clear at all that we are not meeting testing requirements the governor announced, that we are not observing social distance very well as we reopen, and I doubt we call this experiment a failure as soon as we would need to, if we need to.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 9, 2020 12:40:25 GMT -6
Indiana is opening early because Holcomb is a genocidal maniac like Pol Pot or Idi Amin.
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Post by lmills72 on May 9, 2020 13:32:59 GMT -6
The problem with all these reopening plans is the mixed messages they're sending: It's safe to go out and do business again, but wear a mask, make sure you wash your hands, don't touch your face and don't get too close to anyone.
Soon enough Kayla can go back to waiting tables at Hooters for those limited few who are tired of online porn and need some overpriced wings and nachos. Those who have some Kohl's cash burning a hole in their pocket will be able to navigate those 18-inch-wide aisles to satisfy their shopping urges.
Our government officials can tell people it's safe to get out and do business but why would you feel safe doing that when those same officials are hunkered down and the only people who get within 50 feet of them are tested daily.
Really what's needed to get the economy going again is a massive confidence campaign. Celebrities and other notables out and about. Real-live close-contact catfights from the Housewives of whatever city. Shooting some good old sports movies in stadiums filled with extras. Thousands crowding around stages at real concerts, not virtual ones.
But maybe the most effective PSA would be getting the porn industry involved. You know that when the porn industry is back to normal, it's OK to go out again. When I see Donald and Stormy locked in an anal embrace while Mike cowers and whimpers in the corner, I'll know all is right with the world again.
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Post by 00hmh on May 9, 2020 14:38:16 GMT -6
HOF post
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 10, 2020 15:04:54 GMT -6
Went to rural king and Menard today for items to knock out the honey do list.. check out lines to back of store and everyone was shoulder to shoulder.. No social distancing what so ever. It id going to be interesting to see if we have a rise in cases over the next month. If the numbers remain the same I would guess its game on. If there are dramatic increases we might be locked down again
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