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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2020 10:54:50 GMT -6
One small question about Robtopia. So, I can fire the BB coach because we are all leaders. But what if kid shows up and wants to give the coach a life-time extension for beating IU Kokomo? Isn't he a leader also? How is this going to work out? Robtopia is a state of mind. If both you and the kid feel empowered and consider yourself leaders that is the dream.
Now actually getting something done without confronting the dreary reality of a the larger society? Robtopia cannot promise that. It can promise a day where beer flows freely and we enjoy some rebellion against reality. That is all we can do.
Isn't that what this forum really stands for? A noble cause we should value.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 14, 2020 12:56:05 GMT -6
Very good. You repeat your lessons very well. Now, kneel and bow to your superiors to somewhat atone for the guilt of your skin pigment. Aw, I get it. You don't feel any guilt, you believe you have not been consciously racist.
Should there be no shame though for a white society which has seen shameful actions. People before our lifetimes who feel no guilt about it acted consciously to suppress Black freedom. After all slavery was the law of the land, some believed sincerely and without any guilt at all that slavery was the natural state of the racial minority. No shame there.
Should we not feel something? And act? Society and all in it should be ashamed of those who during our lifetime suppressed black voting rights, discriminated in housing, public accommodation and transportation, in education, property rights, even marriage rights based on law. Even if we did not support that personally.
But forget feeling personal guilt, forget being ashamed of a nation, a society in which all that was true. You should be ashamed though of saying it's just some people telling minorities it was an evil conspiracy. Saying implicitly racial discrimination doesn't exist.
Don't believe that. You do have responsibility to understand how the injustice might create anger and understand how black human beings might react when that has so much to do with their history and their reality, even today.
If you do not it is ignorant, insensitive, privileged freedom that you exercise to not think a little about why we might want to lift that burden. You can be blamed for that. No, it's not skin color for anybody to be guilty about. Nor is it personal guilt for shameful acts always.
For some people it will always be 1960, because then the self-righteous fantasy they have created for themselves to live in actually had some basis in reality. Wait....have you been on your knees for your daily ritual of self-abasement yet? Well get on it! |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 14, 2020 13:50:31 GMT -6
One small question about Robtopia. So, I can fire the BB coach because we are all leaders. But what if kid shows up and wants to give the coach a life-time extension for beating IU Kokomo? Isn't he a leader also? How is this going to work out? I can answer this in my current state.. My question will have to wait.. Ive thought about this and do agree this could be a problem. Ive pondered solutions and think I have the answer. I do not think the name of the coach really matters to kid. I think he would be the same with any coach. I think he just loves being around and being somewhat on the inside. So we have stated we need a hype man and since this a utopia who better to hype a utopia.. We will give kid his dream. All Access to basketball he can be at practice, on the bus, on the bench where ever he chooses. This should not effect your Job because we know you like to do your own thing from afar so you guys should not have much Plus I happen to know kid knows a thing about import and exports so he will also be busy tending to that as well. The biggest problem I see is all of just being drunk from the endless supply of beer flowing from frog baby. Will we tend to the everyday running of "robtopia" or just lay around piss drunk all day and rehash the sweet 16 team and 2008 football |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2020 16:53:11 GMT -6
Should we not feel something? And act? Society and all in it should be ashamed of those who during our lifetime suppressed black voting rights, discriminated in housing, public accommodation and transportation, in education, property rights, even marriage rights based on law. Even if we did not support that personally. But forget feeling personal guilt, forget being ashamed of a nation, a society in which all that was true. You should be ashamed though of saying it's just some people telling minorities it was an evil conspiracy. Saying implicitly racial discrimination doesn't exist.
Wait....have you been on your knees for your daily ritual of self-abasement yet? Well get on it! So are you saying explicitly there is no racial discrimination, or just that we should not care? What reality do you see anyway? In 1960 I saw people say there was no need for change and it was just that Black Americans were being incited by radicals. That everything was just fine the way it was. You are the one living in the 60's. Maybe the 50's. Isn't that the decade Trump wants to see again? |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 14, 2020 16:59:14 GMT -6
You were born with evil white skin pigment and are therefore not fit to speak on these topics. You need to STFU and grovel
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Post by lmills72 on Jun 14, 2020 17:04:46 GMT -6
Grove?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 14, 2020 17:19:50 GMT -6
Ok I keep hearing the term privilege thrown around. So here is my question any one can answer and chime in. You guys know me your not going to piss me off and even if you do. I do not hold grudges and we are still going to talk sports or whatever else so fire away.
My grandparents were born in 1917 and 1925 on a mountain in West Virginia. I call them hard working people you would probably call them Hillbillies. They had up to 6th grade mountain education which probably was not much. After world war 2 they moved to Akron Ohio and had 5 kids.
I was the oldest grandchild my dad left when I was a newborn. I had no father figure until my mom remarried when I was in 8th grade. Until then I went to Akron City Schools. The same school district that Lebron would have went too if he had attended city school but since he was good at Basketball he did not have to. The first 10 years of my life we lived in a nice apartment. Ok I later went back and realized it was the projects. All my friends were black and a lot were very nice but a few liked to beat me up everyday and call me names.I never let that bother me though
In 6th grade we moved to a house after my mom got a boyfriend they later married and I got a dad. We moved to rural Indiana which was a culture shock. Now I talked and dressed differently from these kids another couple years of getting my ass kicked. I never complained just kept on living. High school came and things changed. Turns out those years of getting my ass kicked and running home had made me pretty tough and athletic. No one bothered me anymore life was good.
Now its college time after a few failed attempts I finally landed at BSU. I was the first person in my family to attend and graduate college. Did I forget to say that I paid for college by taking out loans that will be paying back until I die.
So my question is can some one explain to me what privileges I had. Why was I so lucky? What all has been given to Me?
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 14, 2020 17:57:39 GMT -6
Not many people realize that cops, in addition to being of course seriously racist, are even more overwhelmingly sexist. 93% of unarmed people shot are male.
I might also mention that all females are invited to just STFU and listen when I talk about the sexism of cops. In fact, they should all kneel and bow down to me because they have no way to understand my pain as a male and how cops have been looking for any excuse to shoot me my whole life.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2020 18:27:07 GMT -6
General, your history is like many we have known at BSU. It's something that makes me proud to be part of this institution.
The grim statistic is that the typical Black kid with your background doesn't make it as often as the White kid. He is shot by police more, too.
Even at BSU minority students just don't make it as often and become successful in life.
I truly appreciate your overcoming those odds. Not in any way saying you didn't work hard, scrap and success is deserved.
But I am convinced race can be a negative factor.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 14, 2020 20:50:36 GMT -6
What does it tell you when a problem affecting black people - being unjustly killed by police - is portrayed by liberals as the hugest problem in the history of history, but a problem that actually affects around TWO HUNDRED TIMES more black people - being killed by black criminals - is entirely ignored by these same liberals?
It tells you that the real concern is NOT the welfare of black people. The real concern is scoring partisan political points and showing how super, super un-racist they themselves are. The killings by police have value in their arguments while the killings by black criminals have none. So guess which they choose to be, by far, the more concerned about?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2020 20:56:38 GMT -6
I get the anger, and they’ll get a free pass because of the legitimate cases, but rioting when a drunk driver resisted arrest, took the cop’s stun gun and pointed it at the cop is probably not the best case to hang your rage on. I feel like it would be a stronger move for the cause to let this one go. There are enough cases where the guy who was killed was either innocent or already subdued that this one hurts the cause. I tend to agree. That the guy was shot twice in the back running away after the resisting part, and was awakened from a drunken stupor when he resisted muddies the water. Not found by internal investigation to be a good shooting. Cop is fired and charged with homicide. As you say not so innocent a victim. But then maybe not so guilty a one that deadly force was the answer. Protest appropriate, in a highly charged week,I get that. But this is not the best case we need to use to make a point. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2020 21:44:28 GMT -6
What does it tell you when a problem affecting black people - being unjustly killed by police - is portrayed by liberals as the hugest problem in the history of history... C'mon. Exaggerate much? Who said that? Of course it is still a big problem. If not the "hugest.' So let's not imply it is not or should be ignored. Crimes against blacks committed mostly in poor black communities also are a big problem. You're right there. We should be more concerned than we are. I suppose there are many causes of that crime. Segregation, poor education, lack of employment. Some of that due to discrimination? We may be on the same page here. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 14, 2020 22:17:13 GMT -6
Compare the google results of George Floyd to those of (just to give one example) Zenobia Johnson. You see how lopsided the attention is in favor of police actions compared to the criminal murder issue that is actually two orders of magnitude more damaging to black communities. But once again, the Zenobia Johnson murder provides little in the way of partisan talking points, so you have no interest in it. Your much-flaunted concern for black communities is a transparent and disgusting farce.
By the way, the root cause of crime is....criminals. Seems rather obvious, but it's amazing how far liberals will go out of their way to avoid the realization. Making excuses for criminals is a solid way to avoid real crime prevention and promote continued crime. But who cares about that? Your own neighborhood is probably pretty safe. The important thing is self-righteousness, self-aggrandizement and snappy partisan talking points.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 15, 2020 6:11:15 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 8:22:13 GMT -6
By the way, the root cause of crime is....criminals. Seems rather obvious, but it's amazing how far liberals will go out of their way to avoid the realization. Making excuses for criminals is a solid way to avoid real crime prevention and promote continued crime. But who cares about that? Your own neighborhood is probably pretty safe. The important thing is self-righteousness, self-aggrandizement and snappy partisan talking points. Of course there is personal responsibility in crime. But it is not just character flaw that leads to crime. There are multiple external causes which make it much more likely an individual turns to crime, including poverty and resulting desperation, lack of employment prospects, lack of education, addiction, and many other factors that make that choice easier and are very difficult to avoid if not completely beyond control for an individual .
No police force in the country buys your simplistic view that crime has nothing to do with the environment in which the individual lives and the circumstances around him are irrelevant and can be ignored.
I did mention that much of racism is rooted in ignorance. You are helping me make that point. Criminals take that path for reasons. Not just because of some inherent character flaw unrelated to the environment in which they live and their history. Failing to look at race and other economic and environmental factors is not good policing much less good social policy.
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