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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 8:49:22 GMT -6
Sorry I have no idea what you are thinking here.
Are you criticizing corporate spending in response to these events?
Most people think voluntary response and charitable spending in response to disastrous events, especially when government is slow to react, is a good thing.
Ethical action and business profit are not in the long run unrelated. It appears to be good business to respond. Business has discovered that "profit maximization" involves making these kinds of expenditures.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Jun 15, 2020 9:41:26 GMT -6
Aw, I get it. You don't feel any guilt, you believe you have not been consciously racist.
Should there be no shame though for a white society which has seen shameful actions. People before our lifetimes who feel no guilt about it acted consciously to suppress Black freedom. After all slavery was the law of the land, some believed sincerely and without any guilt at all that slavery was the natural state of the racial minority. No shame there.
Should we not feel something? And act? Society and all in it should be ashamed of those who during our lifetime suppressed black voting rights, discriminated in housing, public accommodation and transportation, in education, property rights, even marriage rights based on law. Even if we did not support that personally.
But forget feeling personal guilt, forget being ashamed of a nation, a society in which all that was true. You should be ashamed though of saying it's just some people telling minorities it was an evil conspiracy. Saying implicitly racial discrimination doesn't exist.
Don't believe that. You do have responsibility to understand how the injustice might create anger and understand how black human beings might react when that has so much to do with their history and their reality, even today.
If you do not it is ignorant, insensitive, privileged freedom that you exercise to not think a little about why we might want to lift that burden. You can be blamed for that. No, it's not skin color for anybody to be guilty about. Nor is it personal guilt for shameful acts always.
For some people it will always be 1960, because then the self-righteous fantasy they have created for themselves to live in actually had some basis in reality. Wait....have you been on your knees for your daily ritual of self-abasement yet? Well get on it! Except that the effects of what happened in the 40's 50's and 60's are still being felt today. "The median income for white households in 2017 was $68,145, according to the U.S. Census. For black households, it was $40,258." Is that the fault of police officers in America? No of course not. Is that the fault of Black on Black crime? I'm sure partly, yes. Is that the fault of multiple decades of overt attempts to do everything possible to keep as many African American people from enjoying the same opportunities that exist for white Americans? Absolutely. And to argue otherwise only shows how deep in the woods of your own racism you actually are. I'm tired of having to make excuses for white people who want to argue that there isn't racism in this country. I'm tired of seeing people, like you Sherm, do everything you can to deflect the message away from racism toward something else (and usually it seems to be pointing the finger solely at the African American community) because you can't deal with your own racism. It's disgusting and you're disgusting. You're a racist, clear as day. You can come back with some clever remark about how the liberal media has fed me, and how you're a free thinker who doesn't simply go along with the masses, and that's great. I'm going to stand here and call you what you are. Racist. You're a small man who can't see that there are experiences others have had in their lives that far differ from your own, and are too set in your ways to do anything but blame them for their experiences. For anyone who wants to stand up and defend Sherm, I will call you the same. It's time America started calling out those who would seek to maintain the socio-economic status quo that has led to where we are, and you Sherm are part of that problem. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 15, 2020 10:16:33 GMT -6
So my question is can some one explain to me what privileges I had. Why was I so lucky? What all has been given to Me? This is from Lawrence Blum quoted on Wikipedia: So the privilege you obtained was via people who aren't you holding other people that aren't you down. You must pay for that. I'd be interested to know what he means by "denied access to desirable homes." What constitutes desirability? What constitutes denial of access? Is there a homebuilder out there building desirable homes and looking for someone to give them to? Is scarcity not a thing? I'd also be curious what constitutes a school doing a poor job of educating their latino/a and black students. That's pretty vague. I'd say most of my education occurred outside of schooling. I signed up for my public library's app in October of 2017, since that time I've listened to 325 audio books. How much responsibility can you put on the schools? Especially government schools? I graduated high school with like a 2.4 GPA and barely got into Ball State, where I did somewhat better but still not great. I'd say my schools did a poor job of educating me, but since that time I've done a good job educating myself. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 15, 2020 10:17:59 GMT -6
For some people it will always be 1960, because then the self-righteous fantasy they have created for themselves to live in actually had some basis in reality. Wait....have you been on your knees for your daily ritual of self-abasement yet? Well get on it! Except that the effects of what happened in the 40's 50's and 60's are still being felt today. "The median income for white households in 2017 was $68,145, according to the U.S. Census. For black households, it was $40,258." Is that the fault of police officers in America? No of course not. Is that the fault of Black on Black crime? I'm sure partly, yes. Is that the fault of multiple decades of overt attempts to do everything possible to keep as many African American people from enjoying the same opportunities that exist for white Americans? Absolutely. And to argue otherwise only shows how deep in the woods of your own racism you actually are. I'm tired of having to make excuses for white people who want to argue that there isn't racism in this country. I'm tired of seeing people, like you Sherm, do everything you can to deflect the message away from racism toward something else (and usually it seems to be pointing the finger solely at the African American community) because you can't deal with your own racism. It's disgusting and you're disgusting. You're a racist, clear as day. You can come back with some clever remark about how the liberal media has fed me, and how you're a free thinker who doesn't simply go along with the masses, and that's great. I'm going to stand here and call you what you are. Racist. You're a small man who can't see that there are experiences others have had in their lives that far differ from your own, and are too set in your ways to do anything but blame them for their experiences. For anyone who wants to stand up and defend Sherm, I will call you the same. It's time America started calling out those who would seek to maintain the socio-economic status quo that has led to where we are, and you Sherm are part of that problem. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 15, 2020 11:52:57 GMT -6
Sorry I have no idea what you are thinking here.
Are you criticizing corporate spending in response to these events?
Most people think voluntary response and charitable spending in response to disastrous events, especially when government is slow to react, is a good thing.
Ethical action and business profit are not in the long run unrelated. It appears to be good business to respond. Business has discovered that "profit maximization" involves making these kinds of expenditures.
What I'm criticizing is the thought that money will solve this problem. There will always be some people out there that judge others based only on the color of their skin. Look, the only person I can control is me. I come from a Southern family, so I grew up seeing racism and thought it was normal. As I got older (mid to late teens) I started to realize why it was wrong, and made it a point to stop assuming things about people because they were black, brown, whatever. Still, there are times when I find myself unconsciously making assumptions, and I have to stop myself and re-evaluate my thoughts. I hate that it still happens, but it's more rare as time goes on. How about we just treat each other like human beings, ok? Calling people racists without any proof, or just because they don't fit your narrow definition of "not racist" doesn't help, it just makes people dig in more. I'm not saying you're doing this, but we've seen someone else do it on this thread, and that's bullshit. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 12:18:18 GMT -6
Sorry I have no idea what you are thinking here.
Are you criticizing corporate spending in response to these events?
Most people think voluntary response and charitable spending in response to disastrous events, especially when government is slow to react, is a good thing.
Ethical action and business profit are not in the long run unrelated. It appears to be good business to respond. Business has discovered that "profit maximization" involves making these kinds of expenditures.
What I'm criticizing is the thought that money will solve this problem. There will always be some people out there that judge others based only on the color of their skin. Look, the only person I can control is me. I come from a Southern family, so I grew up seeing racism and thought it was normal. As I got older (mid to late teens) I started to realize why it was wrong, and made it a point to stop assuming things about people because they were black, brown, whatever. Still, there are times when I find myself unconsciously making assumptions, and I have to stop myself and re-evaluate my thoughts. I hate that it still happens, but it's more rare as time goes on. How about we just treat each other like human beings, ok? Calling people racists without any proof, or just because they don't fit your narrow definition of "not racist" doesn't help, it just makes people dig in more. I'm not saying you're doing this, but we've seen someone else do it on this thread, and that's bullshit. Well thought out post. There have been several here which are a healthy sign things are far different today from 1950 or 1960.
I do not think the problem is solved and do think there is fairly widespread unconscious racism, and denial it exists. That unconscious underlying racism in a society where history includes long standing racism is not morally culpable in itself.
But the history and the result of racism is shameful, should nt be ignored or denied, and everyone needs to be aware changes are needed. At some point denial becomes culpable negligence if not wilful wrong.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 15, 2020 12:59:35 GMT -6
What I observe with my own eyes is that blacks have quite a significant advantage in the crucial areas of college admissions standards and job hiring. I also observe that individual white people tend to fall all over themselves trying to be especially nice to blacks. that's fine and basically harmless although it's frequently carried to an degree that's somewhat ludicrous and embarrassing to witness
I also know that I myself judge individuals based on their words and actions. It's pretty easy to run around calling people racist based on hidden and even unconscious racism because that requires zero proof and incidentally helps the accuser feel like a good crusading warrior against the evil ones
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 13:07:13 GMT -6
A lot of people pride themselves on not being nice to anyone. Equal opportunity.
I guess I support those who are "nice to blacks," that doesn't bother me. Being nice is generally good.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 13:17:32 GMT -6
There is racial disparity in secondary education quality. I'll support recognizing that, as well as supporting help for all low income and first generation college students.
If government grant money helps those in that class disproportionately they are minority students, it allows BSU to direct it's own resources to others.
BSU is very good at that.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 16, 2020 14:42:15 GMT -6
The police in Seattle have found no evidence of businesses being extorted. Business organizations are indicating they’ve received no reports of extortion. It’s a right wing talking point that has yet to be officially substantiated. No documented reports. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 16, 2020 14:56:44 GMT -6
You were born with evil white skin pigment and are therefore not fit to speak on these topics. You need to STFU and grovel Nah.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 16, 2020 15:58:08 GMT -6
Another thing I have always wondered is how much of this new found support is genuine.. Another thing is do black people really want a bunch of white people there with them.. Trendy protesters seems to be a real thing right now
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Post by reevo on Jun 16, 2020 16:11:09 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 16, 2020 16:39:15 GMT -6
Another thing I have always wondered is how much of this new found support is genuine.. Another thing is do black people really want a bunch of white people there with them.. Trendy protesters seems to be a real thing right now There is a lot of talking about that and related issues. That seems a positive that has come out of this, I have not seen in past racial conflicts. It is not easy for us to see things from the same point of view and understand the rhetoric, much less know what those who suffer from racism need and want. I can't find a few things I wish I could post and have recently seen but here are a few links I have read in the last few days.:
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 17, 2020 7:06:19 GMT -6
Your reading list does not surprise me.
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