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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 7, 2020 21:21:25 GMT -6
E.g. Reche Caldwell. Although there are thousands of other cases yearly almost nf these same lines. The outrage, and whose life "matters" depends entirely on the political optics and specifically on the skin pigment of the perp. In the Caldwell case the skin pigment is not mentioned in the media, so we all know what that means.... Caldwell's life doesn't "matter" a whole lot and will be quickly forgotten
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 8, 2020 8:43:39 GMT -6
What is the norm? Police have to go out in the most dangerous situations. If there were not police killings it would be a big surprise.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 8, 2020 10:21:26 GMT -6
Indeed
Being basically a libertarian, I have believed for many years that cops have a bit too much power and have become a little too paramilitary. For example I think they should dress a bit less like storm troopers and a bit more like Andy Taylor
But to cherry pick one very rare sort of incident and claim it proves "open season on blacks" is dishonest and stupid
I really hope some limited and most-deserving jurisdictions do defund police to illustrate for all to see what the consequences will be
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Post by 87grad on Jun 8, 2020 10:49:12 GMT -6
E.g. Reche Caldwell. Although there are thousands of other cases yearly almost nf these same lines. The outrage, and whose life "matters" depends entirely on the political optics and specifically on the skin pigment of the perp. In the Caldwell case the skin pigment is not mentioned in the media, so we all know what that means.... Caldwell's life doesn't "matter" a whole lot and will be quickly forgotten Caldwell also wasn't killed by the police. Big difference. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 8, 2020 11:53:22 GMT -6
What is the norm? Police have to go out in the most dangerous situations. If there were not police killings it would be a big surprise.
WTF is going on in PHX, OKC and STL??? Their rates are leading their categories by a wide margin. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 8, 2020 12:26:43 GMT -6
Being basically a libertarian, The guy who's been posting for years opposing the idea that we have an over-incarceration problem considers himself "basically a libertarian." Now that is really interesting. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 8, 2020 14:16:48 GMT -6
Being basically a libertarian, The guy who's been posting for years opposing the idea that we have an over-incarceration problem considers himself "basically a libertarian." Now that is really interesting. If you want to revoke my libertarian card over that stance, please do. I prefer to think for myself rather than conform down the line to a doctrine.
In the case of over/under incarceration, I definitely believe our society is under incarcerating certain types. Specifically the type that repeatedly proves beyond all doubt that their criminal habits are a danger to innocent people
I say "basically a libertarian" because I believe strongly in individual responsibility and freedom. And if I took an extensive survey over societal issues, I would likely agree with self-identified libertarians more than any other group.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 8, 2020 17:31:19 GMT -6
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 11, 2020 11:37:12 GMT -6
Then you have what's going on in Seattle, with an armed rebellion seizing control of 6 city blocks.
Why are we letting this continue?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 12:21:59 GMT -6
Then you have what's going on in Seattle, with an armed rebellion seizing control of 6 city blocks. Why are we letting this continue? Looks like peaceful protest. It is a bit crazy isn't it.
I would prefer such groups did not bring weapons, so we may be in agreement on that part.
I figured most here would support freedom loving people exercising 2nd Amendment rights though.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 11, 2020 15:29:55 GMT -6
Well it has been peaceful but they have sectioned and closed off 6 blocks.. Took over several buildings and are now basically squatting in that area. Im not sure that is a really a peaceful protest
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Does anyone really want "MAD MAX" cities popping up all over the unites states... Does anyone think its really all right to do this to other peoples property?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 15:42:36 GMT -6
Well it has been peaceful but they have sectioned and closed off 6 blocks.. Took over several buildings and are now basically squatting in that area. Im not sure that is a really a peaceful protest Edit Does anyone really want "MAD MAX" cities popping up all over the unites states... Does anyone think its really all right to do this to other peoples property? Agreed. From the story I read, the protestors expect the cops to come and evict them and plan on going quietly. As a child of the 60's I experienced some civil disobedience, both as a student in Berkley on one side and as US Army in DC.
Protest never made much sense to me, I could understand the outrage but not really agree that property damage was the way to respond.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 11, 2020 15:51:41 GMT -6
I mean you have to go and evict them and I guarantee you someone getting evicted is going to do something stupid that deserves an ass kicking. An Ass kicking is going to happen and then its going to turn into a shitshow for the ages.
Peaceful protest or not what has happened there should have never been allowed
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 11, 2020 16:03:31 GMT -6
Depriving people the use of or access to their property by force or threat of force is aggressive violence.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 16:39:34 GMT -6
I mean you have to go and evict them and I guarantee you someone getting evicted is going to do something stupid that deserves an ass kicking. An Ass kicking is going to happen and then its going to turn into a shitshow for the ages. Peaceful protest or not what has happened there should have never been allowed This is the limitation of using force to keep order.
It wasn't a matter of allowing it. To be able to control that possibility would mean we were living in a very regimented police state. This could not have been planned for by a police force.
It's the flip side of the idea that everyone has freedom and we want that. The practical matter is how much.
Law is the imperfect art of defining limits to freedom that are practical and workable. But enforcing the law has limitations since you plan for "ordinary" situations with limits, and this is not ordinary and you can't make it fit into that framework.
Think tearing down the goal posts. Of course we should not do it. Of course we could conceivably used armed force and prevent it. A hundred riot police willing to kick ass would stop it.
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