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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 13:10:01 GMT -6
Joe was allegedly getting half of the profits of these enterprises, thus avoiding taxes. He knew, and not only approved of these dealings, he actively participated in leveraging his influence to make them happen. Still trying to figure out where the Russian henchmen figure in this. I think the henchmen must have hit you in the head and muddled your thinking based on the baseless claims you make above.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 21, 2020 13:37:07 GMT -6
The implausibility of Rudy and the Russians being able to maneuver Hunter Biden into getting plastered and leaving his laptop at a particular computer repair store just shows how diabolical they are to have pulled that off, and how deep seated the Republican/Russian conspiracy runs in this country.
00 has access to MANY media echo chambers that expose this Russian involvement, so it has to be true. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 21, 2020 13:39:31 GMT -6
“It’s really hard, but don’t worry, unlike pop, I won’t make you give me half your salary.” - Hunter Biden text to his family
"If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money." - Biden to Ukrainian officials
"Baseless." - 00hmh
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Post by villagepub on Oct 21, 2020 13:45:33 GMT -6
I would never think that! Clearly Hunter Biden was the beneficiary to sweet multi-million $ deals and lucrative salaries from Ukrainian and Chinese oligarchs strictly due to Hunter's impressive competence and sterling character. It had nothing whatsoever to do with influencing his father, the vice president of the United States.
If the election is to turn on mixing family business and government influence, Trump family and associates certainly don't have a good record in comparison. Trump has not separated himself from such dealing or publicly criticized anyone involved, which Joe has done. I don't think this is a good issue for the Trump campaign other than the timing.
A couple of questions.
Am I mistaken or isn't the substance of the 2017 dealing which is the topic of the Post story that Hunter was promising contact with the ex-VP not someone who had any office at the time?
Isn't this "evidence" of Hunter profiting in OTHER dealings evidence only of wrongdoing by Hunter? Isn't it true that Joe Biden hardly approved of any of this or the previously known dealings?
Is this earlier activity or the alleged 2017 activity a crime at all, even if we do not approve of it?
Let's fact check some of this.
Take a look at this account of the business dealings
That this situation alleged in the Post article and other dealings by Hunter Biden should be criticized is true enough. I agree there. As I posted above neither Trump or previous administrations have done much to make family dealing with foreign businesses like this actually a crime.
From the article above: A wide range of China experts told PolitiFact that it’s not unusual for Chinese government and businesses interests to court prominent Americans or their family members.
“This is a standard operating procedure,” Naughton said. “Bring in an influential person, give him a small percentage of a firm as a ‘finders fee,’ and grow the business.”
It is a widespread belief of Chinese leaders “that a father always secretly helps his son,” said Zhiguo He, a finance professor at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business. “Chinese business entities would like to give favors to the son in a proactive way, with the belief that if I am giving deals to the son, the father will remember it. Many lower level officials are doing it.”
Neil Bush, the younger brother of then-President George W. Bush, testified in a March 2003 divorce proceeding about a $2 million stock deal with Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., a firm backed by the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin.
HNA Group, a Chinese conglomerate, offered to buy a hedge fund owned by former White House official Anthony Scaramucci; retained the legal services of Gary Locke, the former U.S. ambassador to China, shortly before his confirmation; and provided financing to a private-equity firm backed by Jeb Bush, according to a 2019 account in the Intercept.
The Bank of China added Angela Chao, the sister of Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and sister-in-law of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to its board of directors, the Intercept reported.
President Trump and his family have faced questions of possible conflicts of interest as well, including the granting of Chinese trademarks to Trump’s daughter Ivanka, who owned a fashion line.
Both the Biden and Trump examples involved a child of a powerful U.S. official getting special treatment or business opportunities from the Chinese government .... Ivanka Trump’s trademark approval involved an expedited regulatory review, as opposed to an ongoing investment opportunity. On the other hand, unlike Biden, she was a White House official at the time, in addition to being the president’s daughter. And the president himself maintains extensive business interests around the world.
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Post by villagepub on Oct 21, 2020 13:46:50 GMT -6
The implausibility of Rudy and the Russians being able to maneuver Hunter Biden into getting plastered and leaving his laptop at a particular computer repair store just shows how diabolical they are to have pulled that off, and how deep seated the Republican/Russian conspiracy runs in this country.
00 has access to MANY media echo chambers that expose this Russian involvement, so it has to be true. These two! Still at it after 60+ years....  |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 14:04:24 GMT -6
“It’s really hard, but don’t worry, unlike pop, I won’t make you give me half your salary.” - Hunter Biden text to his family "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money." - Biden to Ukrainian officials "Baseless." - 00hmh Let's examine what we have.
An alleged text from Hunter whining and complaining about some unstated and unsubstantiated financial wrong done to him by his dad, and promising something to someone other than his dad.
A known exchange, Joe Biden stating US policy, encouraging MORE active prosecution of corruption to the Ukrainian official, and leveraging only US policy.
Your addled conclusion doesn't follow.
How exactly do you imagine from that Joe gets large amounts of money tax free?
How exactly does this "leverage" advantage to Hunter since it talks about US funding to the Ukraine?
How does bringing in a new more aggressive prosecutor help Hunter?
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 14:16:44 GMT -6
If the election is to turn on mixing family business and government influence, Trump family and associates certainly don't have a good record in comparison. Trump has not separated himself from such dealing or publicly criticized anyone involved, which Joe has done. I don't think this is a good issue for the Trump campaign other than the timing.
Both the Biden and Trump examples involved a child of a powerful U.S. official getting special treatment or business opportunities from the Chinese government .... Ivanka Trump’s trademark approval involved an expedited regulatory review, as opposed to an ongoing investment opportunity. On the other hand, unlike Biden, she was a White House official at the time, in addition to being the president’s daughter. And the president himself maintains extensive business interests around the world.
Nice "whataboutism"! Whataboutism would imply there was an argument made that I evade. There was not, only an unsupported allegation of influence without proof.
Until there is some proof of such influence there is nothing in the record other than a Chinese practice of attempting to curry favor by dealing with family.
I am on record as disfavoring these family business advantages.
It is not "whatabout" to point out that this is Chinese SOP, that it is not a crime apparently, that Joe Biden is not a government official in 2017 and gave no advantage, and that Joe has made a public promise to stop his family from engaging in such conduct, or that his opponent seems to the contrary to have doubled down on the practice with his own family business.
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Post by villagepub on Oct 21, 2020 14:27:01 GMT -6
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Post by villagepub on Oct 21, 2020 14:28:06 GMT -6
Whataboutism would imply there was an argument made that I evade. There was not, only an unsupported allegation of influence without proof.
Until there is some proof of such influence there is nothing in the record other than a Chinese practice of attempting to curry favor by dealing with family.
I am on record as disfavoring these family business advantages.
It is not "whatabout" to point out that this is Chinese SOP, that it is not a crime apparently, that Joe Biden is not a government official in 2017 and gave no advantage, and that Joe has made a public promise to stop his family from engaging in such conduct, or that his opponent seems to the contrary to have doubled down on the practice with his own family business.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 21, 2020 14:48:13 GMT -6
"An alleged text from Hunter whining and complaining about some unstated and unsubstantiated financial wrong done to him by his dad, and promising something to someone other than his dad."
It's pretty clear that "Pop" is Joe, and that Joe made this person give him half his salary.
"A known exchange, Joe Biden stating US policy, encouraging MORE active prosecution of corruption to the Ukrainian official, and leveraging only US policy."
Oh, so when Obama and Biden pressure the Ukraine, it's "policy". When Trump just mentions it, it's impeachable. Even so, it doesn't strike you as the least bit curious that the very prosecutor that was looking into Burisma, (who was paying an inexperienced and known drug addict Hunter $50,000 a month to do... what, exactly???) was fired due to pressure by Joe? Because Joe was so concerned about corruption in Ukraine's top officials, that wasn't being investigated by this prosecutor? I haven't seen spinning this hard since the Teacup ride at Disney World.
"Your addled conclusion doesn't follow." You want addled? Watch Joe after 8pm. Sundowner's Syndrome, anyone?
"How exactly do you imagine from that Joe gets large amounts of money tax free?" It makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Joe's perspective, given his roots. If you make money off my name, and due to my influence, I expect a 50% cut. Gangster move, right there.
"How exactly does this "leverage" advantage to Hunter since it talks about US funding to the Ukraine? " Pay my boy well, and I'll get rid of this prosecutor.
"How does bringing in a new more aggressive prosecutor help Hunter?" Oh yeah, he was really aggressive. Yuriy Lutsenko did what? This guy spent 3 years in prison for embezzlement and abuse of office, and was dismissed from his General Prosecutor post in 2019. Hi didn't investigate Burisma, or do much of anything at all.
The lengths you'll go to deny the shadiness of Biden is amazing.
Ridiculous, but amazing.
That's not a compliment.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 14:59:22 GMT -6
Whataboutism would imply there was an argument made that I evade. There was not, only an unsupported allegation of influence without proof.
Until there is some proof of such influence there is nothing in the record other than a Chinese practice of attempting to curry favor by dealing with family.
I am on record as disfavoring these family business advantages.
It is not "whatabout" to point out that this is Chinese SOP, that it is not a crime apparently, that Joe Biden is not a government official in 2017 and gave no advantage, and that Joe has made a public promise to stop his family from engaging in such conduct, or that his opponent seems to the contrary to have doubled down on the practice with his own family business.
You're still deflecting. Deflecting what?
State a thesis with an argument supporting it that I have not answered?
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 15:06:54 GMT -6
"An alleged text from Hunter whining and complaining about some unstated and unsubstantiated financial wrong done to him by his dad, and promising something to someone other than his dad." It's pretty clear that "Pop" is Joe, and that Joe made this person give him half his salary. What salary? From what entity? For what reason? When? How paid?
Remember Biden actually has submitted his tax returns for all the years Hunter worked on various jobs.
Proof of a crime requires a bit more than speculation about a phrase in a text which has any number of possible interpretations, including that it is a baseless complaint about some imagined wrong done him at some time in the past which family members would somehow understand.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 15:21:08 GMT -6
"A known exchange, Joe Biden stating US policy, encouraging MORE active prosecution of corruption to the Ukrainian official, and leveraging only US policy." Oh, so when Obama and Biden pressure the Ukraine, it's "policy". When Trump just mentions it, it's impeachable. Even so, it doesn't strike you as the least bit curious that the very prosecutor that was looking into Burisma.... was fired due to pressure by Joe? Because Joe was so concerned about corruption in Ukraine's top officials, that wasn't being investigated by this prosecutor? I haven't seen spinning this hard since the Teacup ride at Disney World. No spin.
Yes the two cases were quite a bit different. Your version is fantasy. In conflict with fact.
Obama and Biden were following reports of corruption in the prosecutors office, echoed by other governments and internal Ukraine sources, which was NOT prosecuting corruption.
"Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 15:37:28 GMT -6
"How exactly do you imagine from that Joe gets large amounts of money tax free?" It makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Joe's perspective, given his roots. If you make money off my name, and due to my influence, I expect a 50% cut. Gangster move, right there. What? Biden's "roots" show him to be a gangster? What roots are you talking about? I am going to be surprised they are substantially linked to crime, especially considering how easily Trump supporters dismiss the history of the Trump financial empire and its ties to NYC crime elements. The Biden tax returns are public and show no evidence of criminal transactions before the alleged agreement, or since. And you need to explain that tax free part, too. How exactly does Joe collect this illicit gain tax free? I know tax evasion is sometimes successful, but with the entire world looking at his finances it is a little hard to imagine what scheme you are suggesting. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2020 15:38:42 GMT -6
This is a little like whack a mole...
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