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Post by 00hmh on May 22, 2021 9:59:50 GMT -6
I went to Cedar Point yesterday and if not for recorded announcements with suggestions people are treating this like its over 98% unmasked. Will be hard to trace but there is still risk of spreading the virus at crowded venues, especially indoors. CDC screwed up a little the way they handled change in guidelines. Needed to roll that out with more red flag about community spread of and development of variants. We'll regret the optimism if some Indian subcontinent variant develops and is spread and happens to be resistant of current immunity. You have to think back to last February where if we had been really observant of masking and distancing we'd have controlled this thing, avoided literally hundreds of thousands of deaths.
The good news is at least at amusement parks people are outside a lot and not necessarily in each others faces...plus children are a little less dangerous than adults...and maybe 50% of adults are vaccinated or immune due to infection.
With the most vulnerable maybe 70% vaccinated, death and severe hospitalization not a horrible risk for being open as far as existing variants go.
Still a risk in terms of providing a means for dangerous variants to have a chance to be developed and spread. Ideally people would mask when they are in the midst of crowds or inside if they are not vaccinated.
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Post by sdacardinal on May 22, 2021 18:25:16 GMT -6
Was at the Speedway yesterday. At check in I received a mask and a small bottle of hand sanitizer. It looked like one of those small bottles of booze you get from the airlines. I thought it was great that Roger Penske gave me a mask and a shot of vodka until I looked a little closer.
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Post by 00hmh on May 22, 2021 21:08:48 GMT -6
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Post by bsutrack on May 23, 2021 21:46:05 GMT -6
Will be hard to trace but there is still risk of spreading the virus at crowded venues, especially indoors. CDC screwed up a little the way they handled change in guidelines. The CDC had to hastily put out the change in guidelines in response to the really bad week Biden was having. 1) Gasoline shortages in the SE USA due to Russian hackers under the direction of Putin shutting down the Colonial pipeline. 2) CPI inflation numbers for April being the highest since 2008 and if the trend continues reaching 20% by the end of 2021. 3) Illegals continuing to flow across the southern border and on pace for 2021 to equal the population of Houston, Texas. 4) Fighting breaking out in the Gaza Strip and AOC half the Democratic Party wanting to abandon Israel in favor of the terrorist organization known as Hamas. The Biden Administration needed something to distract from all this bad news; hence, the hast in the CDC issuing not all that well thought out guidance. |
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Post by villagepub on May 27, 2021 13:27:35 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2021 13:52:20 GMT -6
Baseball fans might not be definitive authority.
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Post by lmills72 on May 27, 2021 21:53:42 GMT -6
The daily US death toll from COVID is down to just over 500 a day ...
... or you could say ...
More than 500 Americans a day are still dying from COVID.
Guess it just depends on your point of view whether that number signifies some level of success or failure.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2021 6:05:20 GMT -6
It was scary on the way up the mountain. Looks good now since the numbers going down, still projected further down. BUT. Still a big threat there of mutation of variants. The world is a long way from out of the woods on that since world wide vaccination is a very long way away. AND. The evidence is we would do very poorly if a new wave of a deadly new resistant strain did develop.
Vaccine technology is much better than we ever hoped, and we proved masks, distancing do work, but 600K dead and perhaps the best case thousands more is disaster that we need to adjust our thinking about public health on. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 28, 2021 7:10:09 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2021 8:28:39 GMT -6
I wouldn't be so sure. Rokita is working hard to become a national figure by pushing the envelope, it isn't clear he is doing much except headline hunting here.
The AG admits that the law doesn’t bar the university from requiring the vaccination – just that it can’t ask for proof in the form they do. His basis for that is strained. The idea of a passport is probably going to be interpreted as creating a form for general use, not some limited specific use like issuing a Student ID, and it gets murky why they can't use a specific form for that purpose.
His opinon states:
Ind. Code § 16-39-11-5(a) prohibits the state or a local unit from issuing or
requiring an immunization passport. Subsection (b) clarifies that it does not prohibit them from
keeping a record of an individual’s immunization status, providing a medical record of said status
to the individual’s provider or the individual upon request, or maintaining an immunization record
for public health administration purposes.
So Rokita complaint says they can have a record, but not a specific form used for that purpose? How they can keep a record of something without asking for information with specific data? They are using a specific form to do that, but not issuing the form for use as a "passport."
He seems to be complaining about the use of ANY specific form used to gather the information and terming it "vaccine passport" which pushes the envelope. It's pretty clear the University can ask for information and keep it in some form. It is clear they can require vaccination. If the student doesn't provide proof of vaccination that requirement which is legal is meaningless. That is an unreasonable interpretation.
He goes on to say Purdue is OK because students have a choice of showing proof or submitting to regular testing. Purdue is in essence NOT requiring vaccination. Yet they could.
Giving a choice of requiring regular testing or filling out the form and proving vaccination would apparently please the AG.
Which would you choose, anyway?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 28, 2021 9:49:18 GMT -6
Neither.
BSU's policy (at the moment) says that vaccinated people can now go unmasked outdoors. For one, this is akin to the scarlet letter, where unvaccinated people are branded and made targets for derision, no matter their reasons for being unvaccinated. For another, this is not based on science, being outdoors shouldn't require a mask for anyone.
What's next, forcing flu shots on everyone? Then forcing masks to prevent the common cold?
Just makes me wish I was at retirement age, where I could force a legal showdown.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2021 12:36:54 GMT -6
Masks outside unless in a dense crowd are not needed I agree. But, vaccination is an excellent idea for environment like the University where people have to mix. This is a disease that kills a vulnerable person and the current issue is to reduce danger of variants which may be more deadly like this WSJ report on Indian variants, harder on more people, faster spreadingThis is NOT the common cold or even the flu. You cannot compare the danger or the need for response. After getting used to masks, I have no great problem with masks at the peak of flu season being required, or at least encouraged and promoted. Good Public health practice. |
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Post by bsutrack on May 30, 2021 22:13:08 GMT -6
The daily US death toll from COVID is down to just over 500 a day ... ... or you could say ... More than 500 Americans a day are still dying from COVID. Guess it just depends on your point of view whether that number signifies some level of success or failure. The fact you have plenty of vaccine available changes the narrative. Back in April, the 7-day running average was over 3.0 million Covid-19 vaccinations per day. Now, they can only find around 1.2 million per day willing to get vaccinated. It isn't because they have run short of vaccine. For the most part, the folks who want to be vaccinated have and those who haven't don't. It would be interesting to know how many of those 500 deaths per day have been vaccinated? I have to assume it's few to none, or you would hear about it. Most of the stories I've read are folks vaccinate who later get Covid have mild cases and don't die. So in other words, those 500 deaths per day are most likely folks who choose not to be vaccinated. People who make a conscience choice to take a risk don't generate as much sympathy. And let's face it, we don't have a political campaign to win right now. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 31, 2021 2:13:58 GMT -6
The problem is not people who choose a risk and lose.
The problem is we fail to quickly stifle the disease before variants develop which can conceivably infect and harm those who are vaccinated, or are even more deadly to those who cannot be vaccinated.
Choosing to mask, distance and be vaccinated is not about self protection but instead cooperation against a threat to the community.
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on May 31, 2021 12:07:31 GMT -6
Make sure your message gets heard by your democrat leadership who love to play the rules for thee not for me game... after all they are the only party trying to solve the problem....smdh
All of these rules and guidelines are shaping up fairly well to invoke precedent of control when something does not go one’s way....
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