|
|
Post by 00hmh on May 31, 2021 13:56:34 GMT -6
No idea what that means. Simple public health is what I'm talking about.
|
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 1, 2021 15:19:02 GMT -6
The problem is not people who choose a risk and lose. The problem is we fail to quickly stifle the disease before variants develop which can conceivably infect and harm those who are vaccinated, or are even more deadly to those who cannot be vaccinated. Choosing to mask, distance and be vaccinated is not about self protection but instead cooperation against a threat to the community. Although variants may be more contagious, they are normally less deadly. The more successful variants keep the host alive so they can better spread. It's the way it's worked in nature for millions of years. No reason it should change this time around. The bigger risk is another lab leak from the CCP of the next Chinese military bio-weapon. The Democrats and their media allies have successfully shielded the CCP for the last year. That appears to be changing. www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-rand-paul-pompeo-warn-wuhan-lab-still-running-involved-bioweapons |
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 2, 2021 9:47:38 GMT -6
The danger in variants is not only that they COULD be more deadly, but more so that they might be a mutation that makes current vaccines less effective. If the very susceptible population is suddenly without protection, then the disease would not have to be more deadly to put us back where we were over a year ago.
Your argument now is a variation on the theme you have played for over a year. Ignore this it is natural, "just the flu." So far you have been mostly wrong. Without masks, social distance and vaccination we may have had multiple times the 500K deaths we suffered.
The really bad news is that however a new deadly strain develops our anti-vax, anti public health politics may make us repeat the mistakes we make over a year ago if we are not careful.
The current news about possible escape of the virus from a lab does not in fact involve any evidence it was a bio weapon. That a lab also conducts military research could well be true, but there is actually no evidence that is related to the possible leak from the lab. The new evidence seems Makes it much more worth examining the possibility that whatever the source of the virus under study it may have escaped from the lab. That is plausible, and the lab reportedly was not run as well as it should have. And note that the Trump administration cut back on the methods we had in place to monitor Chinese public health and medical research. Rand Paul is locking the barn door which may or may not be better than keeping intelligence assets in China.
However. This is NOT a bigger risk than the natural mutation of a widely existing disease in the rest of the world which lacks vaccine and public health infrastructure.
|
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 2, 2021 10:23:04 GMT -6
you guys still going
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 2, 2021 10:30:52 GMT -6
There seems to be an endless supply of health misinformation and conspiracy theory. It may indeed be a futile endeavor to try to address it.
Thank goodness the vaccine is working well. For now.
|
|
|
|
Post by villagepub on Jun 2, 2021 12:52:00 GMT -6
There seems to be an endless supply of health misinformation and conspiracy theory. It may indeed be a futile endeavor to try to address it.
On both sides of the issue. |
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 2, 2021 19:33:56 GMT -6
So you guys entertain me on the Fauci leaked email. This should be good I need to read more about it to form an opinion but early quick read over Fauci looks pretty silly
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 2, 2021 21:31:53 GMT -6
How silly?
Stressed, tired, very willing to answer questions. A scientist much more than a politician.
A lot there showed how he changed his ideas as he learned more about the virus.
A good trait.
|
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 2, 2021 21:52:53 GMT -6
Got to love those Freedom of Information Requests.
Fauci's personal emails show he thinks masks are basically worthless. His response to a colleague's question about wearing a mask:
To which Fauci replies: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection. The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."
Definitely not the mask mandates he pushed on the American public.
Other emails include the following:
He lied to Rand Paul in testimony to the Senate last week when asked about particular grant not being a Gain of Function Research grant. An email with the subject title: Gain of Function Research and the same research grant number is one of Fauci's emails.
Emails from other scientists indicating they think the virus is not natural and is indeed engineered. One when Fauci forwarded to a subordinate with the comment: "Too long for me to read." Fauci apparently doesn't like to burn the midnight oil.
An email from Peter Daszak thanking Fauci for tamping down the Wuhan lab origin theory and covering their respective asses. Daszak is the head of Ecohealth, the outfit that relayed funding to the Wuhan lab when Fauci couldn't send it directly due to Obama's moratorium on doing gain of function research in the USA. Daszak was also the only American on the World Health Organization (WHO) team that investigated Covid-19 origins in China and of course found no way it stated in the Wuhan lab.
My other link included the reference to a 2012 report where Fauci stated "the risk of a lab leak while doing gain of function research was an acceptable risk for the possible scientific knowledge to be gained". The guy has always been a champion of doing this type of research. When it was outlawed in the USA, Fauci found a workaround by sending US tax money to EcoHealth (headed by Daszak) who then relayed the funds to the Chinese at the Wuhan lab.
If there are ever Nuremberg style trials for Covid-19, Fauci and Daszak need to be the first two on the docket.
|
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 2, 2021 23:46:26 GMT -6
How silly? Stressed, tired, very willing to answer questions. A scientist much more than a politician. A lot there showed how he changed his ideas as he learned more about the virus. A good trait. I read a cliffs note version of story and a couple emails and if what I read is true and not out of context they IMO make Fauci look pretty bad. That being said I'll have to read more about it before really forming an opinion on the entire story. |
|
|
|
Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 3, 2021 5:41:40 GMT -6
How silly? Stressed, tired, very willing to answer questions. A scientist much more than a politician. A lot there showed how he changed his ideas as he learned more about the virus. A good trait. I read a cliffs note version of story and a couple emails and if what I read is true and not out of context they IMO make Fauci look pretty bad. That being said I'll have to read more about it before really forming an opinion on the entire story. I’ve not read anything about this so I will also withhold judgment, but I would say that as a general rule if you’re claiming to be an all knowing rule-giver you will pretty much always look stupid if anyone peeks behind the curtain. Look at all the massive hypocrisy within the ruling class during covid. Michiganders must not go to Florida, except Whitmer because she is a dutiful daughter. Chicagoans must not get their haircut, except Lightfoot because she takes her hygiene seriously. Biden insists masks be worn of federal property, except for him and his family when they want a photoshoot. There are plenty of examples on both sides of the aisle. Early in Holcomb's dictates he violated the rules he declared for us. Nobody is wiser than everybody, so when they pretend to be they look stupid to anyone who bothers to look. |
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 7:08:18 GMT -6
Fauci's personal emails show he thinks masks are basically worthless. His response to a colleague's question about wearing a mask: To which Fauci replies: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection. The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you." Definitely not the mask mandates he pushed on the American public. The quoted material is actually correct in the main purpose of masks. Your conclusion about it is either ignorant or purposely misleading. His opinion at that time was masks were not needed. Sure. But. That changed for good reason.
His statements about the public not needing masks were early on and before the evidence of how much spread is due to aerosol airborne transmission. And before it was evident how critical it is for those infected to be responsible to not spread the virus. And before the disease was as widespread.(even now in the absence of vaccination we would very much need masks and social distancing at this level of population infection.
The masks were also in very short supply at that time and reserved for hospital and health care.
This supposed inconsistency has been repeated for almost a year and is simply BS. Opinion SHOULD change as circumstances change and as new information becomes available. Had Trump been willing to acknowledge his early statements were BS he'd have come out of this not looking like a fool.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 7:14:38 GMT -6
He lied to Rand Paul in testimony to the Senate last week when asked about particular grant not being a Gain of Function Research grant. An email with the subject title: Gain of Function Research and the same research grant number is one of Fauci's emails. Emails from other scientists indicating they think the virus is not natural and is indeed engineered. One when Fauci forwarded to a subordinate with the comment: "Too long for me to read." Fauci apparently doesn't like to burn the midnight oil. The emails show that Fauci was working very long hours.
The concern about engineered virus was never backed by data and was theoretical discussion. Fauci never took a strong stand on the matter, he was justifiably more worried about how we respond which was his job.
The funding of the research in China is relatively small scale as you must know. The statement to Paul is debatable. If you were aware of how many research projects the US funds, Paul's concern about US funding and oversight is greatly exaggerated in importance. It would be far better to fund it and oversee it better. I would agree there. Cutting funding and having no input at all in the research, and getting no benefit from it seems far too strong a reaction.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 7:19:49 GMT -6
An email from Peter Daszak thanking Fauci for tamping down the Wuhan lab origin theory and covering their respective asses. Daszak is the head of Ecohealth, the outfit that relayed funding to the Wuhan lab when Fauci couldn't send it directly due to Obama's moratorium on doing gain of function research in the USA. Daszak was also the only American on the World Health Organization (WHO) team that investigated Covid-19 origins in China and of course found no way it stated in the Wuhan lab. My other link included the reference to a 2012 report where Fauci stated "the risk of a lab leak while doing gain of function research was an acceptable risk for the possible scientific knowledge to be gained". The guy has always been a champion of doing this type of research. When it was outlawed in the USA, Fauci found a workaround by sending US tax money to EcoHealth (headed by Daszak) who then relayed the funds to the Chinese at the Wuhan lab. If there are ever Nuremberg style trials for Covid-19, Fauci and Daszak need to be the first two on the docket. The bold statement is a fair opinion supported by previous experience. You are stretching to find some great dereliction of duty on either scientist. The majority of research scientists support this kind of research.
These guys are colleagues so I understand the sympathy. Besides, the fact Daszak was the only guy around in China with any way to investigate the possible leak is Trump administration decision not Fauci.
We should be sympathetic to Daszak if he missed something.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 7:20:46 GMT -6
Nuremberg trials?
If so, the former President will be in the dock before Fauci and the scientists.
|
|
