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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 3, 2021 8:01:10 GMT -6
Getting pretty dizzy with all the spin being applied...
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 8:54:25 GMT -6
Getting pretty dizzy with all the spin being applied...
Calling Fauci lazy was ridiculous. The time he spent writing 3000 pages of email in a short time period, and the documented public appearances, briefings, meetings and other official actions, all in a relatively short time period under discussion belies that charge.
Repeating the argument about Fauci thinking masks "are worthless" based on his early email opinions is dishonest. And it persists in misunderstanding the reasons masks and social distance are critical in dealing with an airborne aerosol transmission. Ignoring the ample evidence that masks and social distancing efforts have worked well is just plain stupid.
Blaming Fauci for the pandemic is the worst kind of finger pointing and Rand Paul's exaggerated comment is at the very best 20-20 hindsight about a decision to fund research that was justified by all ordinary standards at the time. And BTW a decision made worse by the Trump administration cutbacks on public health. Holding Fauci as responsible for following then accepted scientific advice, while absolving the administration in many of its actions which were taken against advice of the the scientists and experts is contradictory.
We can point fingers at how the virus MAY have escaped due to Chinese mismanagement of the lab, this kind of lab error is possible, perhaps inevitable, and could happen other places. It is relevant to explore to prevent future instances in ANY lab ANYWHERE. We are not doing that with the Rand Paul solution to not study these viruses in one venue, and if the Paul solution had magically been in place it would not have prevented the Chinese studies, and generalizing the plan to prevent any study might well have have resulted in our not having the science to deal with it. His solution is China focused politics rather than comprehensive investment in improving lab safety everywhere.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 3, 2021 10:37:45 GMT -6
In other words, you're blaming us for not funding Chinese research enough to contain the virus that the Chinese were responsible for.
Yeah, that makes sense.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 14:41:51 GMT -6
In other words, you're blaming us for not funding Chinese research enough to contain the virus that the Chinese were responsible for. Yeah, that makes sense. NO. Blame is really not the point, making research protocol better and enforced everywhere ought to be the point.
I am saying the funding made sense at the time. I am saying (as did Fauci) that it is quite possible that the Chinese lab was not run properly.
I am saying we were not given enough oversight, or did not take it in cases like this since the problem had not occurred, and we later cut back on intelligence efforts which would have alerted us to the seriousness of the problem that arose.
Many scientists have been worried about exactly this kind of scenario all over the world. Where Paul should be focusing is on making this research safer, not ignoring all the problems and focusing only on China.
His proposal does very little to prevent future accidents in the whole scheme of things.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 14:54:47 GMT -6
The part about keeping an open mind is not only good science but this is coming from a guy who is actually an expert on these things, not a politician currying favor with a large number of people who seem to want to blame somebody and distract from our disastrous failure in response to this public health emergency.
I understand anger at the cause of the problem but that open mind thing might prevent a large number of people from missing the real lesson.
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Post by sweep on Jun 3, 2021 16:47:19 GMT -6
not a politician currying favor Oh please he is a career bureaucrat. He has worked for the NIH since 1968, do you honestly think he is something special because he is a scientist. I'll bet he is viewed as a complete hack by most experts in his profession. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 17:35:32 GMT -6
not a politician currying favor Oh please he is a career bureaucrat. He has worked for the NIH since 1968, do you honestly think he is something special because he is a scientist. I'll bet he is viewed as a complete hack by most experts in his profession. OK. I'll take that bet. How much?
Have you read his resume?
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Post by bsutrack on Jun 3, 2021 18:13:48 GMT -6
Tony Fauci is just another sleazy federal bureaucrat - deeply political and often dishonest. More shocking than that we then learned that Fauci himself was implicated in the very pandemic he'd been charged with fighting.
Fauci's emails collectively show that from the beginning, Tony Fauci was worried that the public might conclude COVID had originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Why would he be concerned that Americans would conclude that? Possibly because Tony Fauci knew that he had funded gain-of-function experiments at that very same laboratory.
The emails prove that Fauci lied about this under oath. An email from scientist Christian G. Anderson to Fauci, saying that he and his fellow scientists felt the virus looked 'potentially' engineered, and that members of his team "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory."
I will admit Fauci isn't lazy. He spent immense amounts of time deflecting the narrative away from the Wuhan Lab as being the source of the pandemic. He probably didn't want to waste any time or energy on facts that would counter that. He and Daszak should probably be lawyering-up right about now, if they haven't already.
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Post by sweep on Jun 3, 2021 18:29:34 GMT -6
Oh please he is a career bureaucrat. He has worked for the NIH since 1968, do you honestly think he is something special because he is a scientist. I'll bet he is viewed as a complete hack by most experts in his profession. OK. I'll take that bet. How much?
Have you read his resume?
Yeah he went to Cornell and then took a job with the NIH. Wow, what a trailblazer, what a physician. He may not be the gigantic hack you are, but he is still a hack. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 3, 2021 19:23:33 GMT -6
OK. I'll take that bet. How much?
Have you read his resume?
Yeah he went to Cornell and then took a job with the NIH... he is still a hack. Went to Cornell, yes. 1st in his class Cornell Med School you omit, along with more. Has spent his career in an agency, yes, much of that time in a research post. Much of it running ground breaking research projects. The 13th most cited author among all scientists. 1983-2002. 100 publications in JAMA and New England Journal of Medicine. More than a 100 more in top journals, those most respected in his field, many more significant publications. More than a dozen publications in the last few years. Numerous honorary degrees, awards and other recognitions. Taught at a number of top medical schools. |
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Post by sweep on Jun 4, 2021 6:00:24 GMT -6
Yeah and Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 4, 2021 6:24:18 GMT -6
Yeah and Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize. As did Obama before doing anything. |
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Post by sweep on Jun 4, 2021 6:32:34 GMT -6
I know, and Michael Bolton won four Grammys. He must be one of the greatest musicians of the last fifty years. Nothing hacky about him.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 4, 2021 6:50:03 GMT -6
Yeah and Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize. Nobody here is saying Al was a great scientist, despite his invention of the internet.
Seriously, now.
This is your best argument why Fauci is a hack? Has won too many awards? Has too many refereed publications in top journals? Must just be politics?
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Post by bsutony on Jun 4, 2021 6:57:28 GMT -6
Fauci can do no wrong according to a lot of people. It's almost like a religion for some. It doesn't matter how many times the guy contradicts himself, people will worship him. Similar to Cuomo in a lot of ways.
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