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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 7:43:21 GMT -6
So much for "my body, my choice." You can sign away all rights to privacy so you can save a buck or two on your insurance, but don't expect everyone to be so pliable. You seriously considering dropping your employer health plan?
You have already signed away your privacy rights, sharing all information on any reimbursable charge.
If you are willing to share information for that colonoscopy or other procedure and vaccine status is somehow more sensitive information to you, that status for any number of current vaccines are part of your doctor's records for reimbursement, including flu vaccine, shingles vaccine and others. I understand the principle of wanting max privacy, but that ship has already sailed.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 27, 2021 8:21:17 GMT -6
I don't have to prove that I got the vaccine. Even with the vaccine, you can still get COVID.
Ergo, even if I lie to my employer about getting the vaccine, how would they possibly know?
(Waiting for you to advocate employer-forced blood draws to test for antibodies.)
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 10:11:58 GMT -6
I don't have to prove that I got the vaccine. Even with the vaccine, you can still get COVID. Ergo, even if I lie to my employer about getting the vaccine, how would they possibly know? (Waiting for you to advocate employer-forced blood draws to test for antibodies.) There is a data base of vaccination records. Isn't it quite possible insurers when paying large claims for Covid treatment will have a case to justify checking the record for vaccination.
So the problem is that if you do get Covid, you may not have insurance reimbursement for treatments. Those insurance companies don't make money by paying claims. Try to avoid it when they can.
Legislatures in a few states have passed laws to prevent requiring vaccines for some purposes. The Insurance lobby has a lot of power and even in such a state could likely get an exemption for Insurance reimbursement. The Federal governnent could also regulate payment by Medicare, Medicaid and require checking.
That's not the case now perhaps. and we are talking mostly about a future situation.
Apart from the insured being willing to commit fraud, note that the alternative could be frequent Covid testing, which would be a hassle. That seems to be the way hospitals and public employers are handling it without requiring vaccination. Why not require alternatively either proof of vaccination or testing?
A state rule requiring me to insure risks that are very expensive seems quite unfair when a simple method of showing proof of vaccination is available. Legislatures may not be too enthusiastic about forbidding such an exclusion.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 27, 2021 11:10:14 GMT -6
What's a little MORE governmental overreach, eh?
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 13:04:16 GMT -6
What's a little MORE governmental overreach, eh Choice would be more expensive health insurance. |
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Post by villagepub on Jul 27, 2021 13:04:57 GMT -6
What's a little MORE governmental overreach, eh Choice would be more expensive health insurance. Maybe not |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Jul 27, 2021 13:10:56 GMT -6
This a National / world extreme problem. Desperate times call for desperate measures as they say. I’m conservative in my values and economics, and hate government over reach. However, I’m firmly behind us getting a handle on this. Get vaccinated or get tested, that simple.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 27, 2021 13:32:12 GMT -6
Desperate times call for desperate measures as they say. That's how Germany got into a couple of messes last century. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 13:55:29 GMT -6
C'mon. This is public health. I can't think of any action in Germany where there was science based health measures involved.
What were you thinking about?
Autocratic leaders restricting democratic voting and discriminating I remember.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Jul 27, 2021 14:05:53 GMT -6
Desperate times call for desperate measures as they say. That's how Germany got into a couple of messes last century. IMHO, this is how government gets broader control over us. Individuals not doing the responsible things on their own. A problem becomes a bigger problem, then government steps is to try an solve it. Granted, they usually make things worse and we lose some liberties in the process. so, I’m blaming us on this one. If this doesn’t get controlled, then be prepared for even more government involvement not only on this but future issues. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 14:21:51 GMT -6
Sad that completely private action could have prevented a national crisis.. Trump and GOP could have encouraged more mitigation and actively supported a vaccine they took action to create
The path they chose was to discredit science and encourage inaction. From the start March 2020.
Public health measures have never been politicized like this.
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Post by villagepub on Jul 27, 2021 20:15:44 GMT -6
C'mon. This public health. I can't think of any action in Germany where there was science based health measures involved. What were you thinking about? Autocratic leaders restricting democratic voting and discriminating I remember. The left and right always run to a Early to Mid 20th century Germany metaphor when they want to prove an extreme point. Can we please come up with some better, more comparative metaphors? (Biden is Hitler's Argentinean love-child. He was sent here as a "Patagonian Candidate." |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 20:31:08 GMT -6
How did he turn out to be a Commie then? Was this some secret Hitler Stalin pact?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 28, 2021 5:43:25 GMT -6
The point is that when you give the government an inch, they'll take a mile. And more of your money to waste on pet projects that benefit very few.
It amazes me how many people are so willing to give up individual rights "for the good of everyone." Which of course, turns out to be bad for everyone.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 28, 2021 6:01:36 GMT -6
I agree that is possible. In many cases. Not this one, though. But public health is an area we've gone the other way on for years. Underfunded, less in real terms. We've lost 1/4 of our apolitical public health professional in recent years. Most recently seeing politics become a factor.
This is no pet project that wastes money. It is individuals who are not listening, getting provably bad information from poor sources, believing a sometimes bogus or anonymous social media source instead of the family doctor or VERY credible public officials. This is individual choice ignoring responsibility for possible harm to others, causing untold suffering that is preventable, and wasting money that need not have been spent on health care.
Had we know what we know now, we surely would have seen the professionals make an earlier call for masking. And it would have been more successful. Now we know better. But, now we are ignoring what we can see plainly about vaccines, and we have already spent the money on a great vaccine and refuse to use it. That is the waste.
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