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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2021 15:13:31 GMT -6
It appears that most of the "new revelations" have been known since May or June ........................ Not if you watch CNN, MSNBC, or PBS. I doubt it. The exchange with Paul received coverage in most news sources. We had a previous discussion which indicates the story was covered adequately. The FOI documents add little or nothing.
"Lying through the teeth" requires a higher standard than this heated exchange in a Congressional hearing. You would benefit from reviewing the facts discussed in the post you apparently did not read but only counted words.
If your standard bearer is innocent of the many charges against him on that count, then Dr Fauci surely is not guilty as well. As a sycophant of a President probably most associated with misleading the public and outright denial of the truth in the history of American politics, I am surprised at the strict standard you want to apply here.
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Post by sweep on Sept 9, 2021 15:25:31 GMT -6
Not if you watch CNN, MSNBC, or PBS. I doubt it. The exchange with Paul received coverage in most news sources. We had a previous discussion which indicates the story was covered adequately. The FOI documents add little or nothing.
"Lying through the teeth" requires a higher standard than this heated exchange in a Congressional hearing. You would benefit from reviewing the facts discussed in the post you apparently did not read but only counted words.
If your standard bearer is innocent of the many charges against him on that count, then Dr Fauci surely is not guilty as well. As a sycophant of a President probably most associated with misleading the public and outright denial of the truth in the history of American politics, I am surprised at the strict standard you want to apply here.
Now, now........Put a cold towel on your head and relax. We all understand it must be frustrating for you being wrong all the time. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2021 11:41:42 GMT -6
I doubt it. The exchange with Paul received coverage in most news sources. We had a previous discussion which indicates the story was covered adequately. The FOI documents add little or nothing.
"Lying through the teeth" requires a higher standard than this heated exchange in a Congressional hearing. You would benefit from reviewing the facts discussed in the post you apparently did not read but only counted words.
If your standard bearer is innocent of the many charges against him on that count, then Dr Fauci surely is not guilty as well. As a sycophant of a President probably most associated with misleading the public and outright denial of the truth in the history of American politics, I am surprised at the strict standard you want to apply here.
Now, now........Put a cold towel on your head and relax. We all understand it must be frustrating for you being wrong all the time. I'll let my posts on Covid speak for themselves. As I say above the issue of how we control the virus NOW is far more important than digging around and second guessing past grant funding.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2021 11:58:20 GMT -6
If you google "turned away from ICU" you get incidents like this around the country. Even Indiana
Vaccination could have prevented this surge.
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Post by villagepub on Sept 11, 2021 19:13:18 GMT -6
Welcome back my friends to the thread that never ends...
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 12, 2021 21:27:29 GMT -6
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 12, 2021 21:36:00 GMT -6
Now, now........Put a cold towel on your head and relax. We all understand it must be frustrating for you being wrong all the time. I'll let my posts on Covid speak for themselves. As I say above the issue of how we control the virus NOW is far more important than digging around and second guessing past grant funding.
If you don't study history, you are bound to keep repeating your mistakes. It's important to understand the root causes of this pandemic to stop the next from occurring. Also those responsible for the situation should be held accountable. At least that was the argument you kept repeating concerning Donald Trump leading up to last November's elections, yet it doesn't seem to apply to Fauci. Typical Democratic hypocrisy. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 13, 2021 10:24:31 GMT -6
I'll let my posts on Covid speak for themselves. As I say above the issue of how we control the virus NOW is far more important than digging around and second guessing past grant funding.
If you don't study history, you are bound to keep repeating your mistakes. It's important to understand the root causes of this pandemic to stop the next from occurring. Also those responsible for the situation should be held accountable. At least that was the argument you kept repeating concerning Donald Trump leading up to last November's elections, yet it doesn't seem to apply to Fauci. Typical Democratic hypocrisy. Ridiculous comparison.
Fauci had little to do with approval of the grant in question going back to 2015. At each stage he acted in the routine operation of his agency with advice of his expert staff who extensively reviewed the grant. The grant in question may have had little to do with the ensuing pandemic and at worst is one of many decisions made since 2004 at Wuhan which may have contributed.
Trump on the other hand ignored the advice of his experts on numerous occasions. With knowledge of the facts he failed to act, delayed to act, and worst often mislead the public. He declared war on the virus and left the battlefield, made his priority the election at the cost of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Trump not only denied any responsibility but declared victory. No problem really existed. "Covid, Covid, Covid."
Your comparison is like assigning equal blame in an auto accident to the guy who ran a red light causing the accident and blaming the guy who you think should have lowered the speed limit on the road years before, or the driver who left home to go to work and in busy traffic at the intersection was in the accident. Sure had that driver that day, back in 2015, just stayed home, maybe no accident would have later occurred. Or maybe there would have been one anyway.
But history will record that whatever the ultimate causes of the pandemic, in the aftermath of this auto accident, one driver left and held a press conference to say it was no big deal, the other stayed at the scene and made his priority saving lives.
History will not be kind to Trump and will record Fauci acquitted himself with professionalism and served the country well.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 13, 2021 20:02:30 GMT -6
Vaccination could have prevented this surge.
Might as well since they have in past counted folks dying of unrelated things such as motorcycle accidents. That's Florida where the governor doesn't believe anyone dies of Covid and doesn't see why anyone should be required to wear a mask.
Among the 50000 Covid deaths there I wonder how may are motorcycle related. 90% of all their ICU beds are filled, so with that kind serious hospitalization maybe that is it? I suppose it is possible they have a lot of people who don't wear helmets, but out of the 350 Covid deaths reported daily on average the last week, how many should we think were motorcycle related?
Masks and vaccination could have prevented a lot of it the 50K is what I think, but I'll bet helmets would help, too.
Florida takes motorcycle accidents seriously, although riders do not have to wear helmets. They have made a good move to combat their motorcycle health risk (unlike their policy with Covid) since those who don't wear helmets are required to buy insurance to cover their hospitalization due to motorcycle accidents. Higher rates for those who fail to vaccinate would be consistent with that idea wouldn't it?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 14, 2021 6:28:24 GMT -6
Considering Florida has the 5th highest median age, the 3rd highest population, and the 8th highest population density, it's not surprising the rate of infection.
Inoculation doesn't prevent infection.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 14, 2021 7:39:21 GMT -6
Considering Florida has the 5th highest median age, the 3rd highest population, and the 8th highest population density, it's not surprising the rate of infection. Inoculation doesn't prevent infection. That is not exactly true. The vaccine against delta is not as effective preventing infection as it was against original strains, but VERY effective in preventing ICU admission or infection severe enough to warrant hospitalization. Even among the aged and infirm it greatly limits deaths. Case rate is an important statistic, but right now there is no doubt the surge in cases and in mortality are among those not vaccinated.
Vaccination does prevent infection just not at the higher rate now it did against the original strains.
Good point about the elderly and the impact there on mortality.
The older demographic explains Florida's poor performance before vaccines. It is better in that group now as Florida has a relatively high rate of vaccination among those older Florida residents. That has saved them from a catastrophic death rate this year. But the state is still doing very poorly due to absence of public health measures.
Florida ranks 22nd in vaccination rate (about 54%), Indiana 37th. Covid is a big problem among those not vaccinated. In the largest retirement community in Florida where I have long owned rental property over 90% are vaccinated, while outside that community in the same county the vaccination rate is relatively poor. For that County and Delaware in Indiana both are hot spots. Hospitals have only a few ICU beds available.
Besides, you are missing the thread of the argument here a little. When we are talking about deaths due to the hospitals being slammed by motorcycle accident victims (according to bsutrack) or heart attack, stroke and other critical care needs which the elderly in Florida have I would rather be in a state with a very high vaccination rate where such problem just does not exist.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 14, 2021 8:15:04 GMT -6
What we have is not a vaccine in the traditional sense.
What we have is an inoculation. You can still get the disease, it's just not as severe. Vaccines prevent contracting the disease in the first place.
We've been throwing around the vaccine term without really questioning its accuracy.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 14, 2021 8:32:02 GMT -6
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 15, 2021 8:19:49 GMT -6
So when do we start mandating flu shots?
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 15, 2021 8:30:15 GMT -6
So when do we start mandating flu shots? When flu threatens to kill 700K people in the next 18 months?
When hospitals are expected to be slammed in the summer, winter and fall?
It is not likely to happen, but if it was in the forecast, we should mandate flu shots.
Maybe we could just wear masks and social distance, avoid large gatherings indoors, not travel, and periodically shut down completely when things get out of hand completely?
Which would you prefer? Or are you happy and would like to repeat the last 18 months?
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