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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 28, 2021 8:38:23 GMT -6
They were only testing cases that were sure to come out positive, thus making the tested/confirmed ratio way out of whack.
But we've been over all this. Nothing has changed.
It's all, to quote Sammy Hagar, mental masturbation.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2021 9:04:39 GMT -6
They were only testing cases that were sure to come out positive, thus making the tested/confirmed ratio way out of whack. But we've been over all this. Nothing has changed. That's not what the evidence was exactly. EVERY country at the time had much the same problem there. We were in deep trouble and more testing would have shown that. WHICH Trump consciously did not want to happen since his message was that we had the pandemic licked. See the statnews article I cited above. That so many infections are asymptomatic means a testing program rarely understates the problem. For every sick person testing positive we know there were MANY out there spreading the disease. THAT information we needed. OR, of course, Trump could have been honest and supported masking and social distancing. He can't have it both ways. In any case, we needed MUCH more surveillance testing, I agree there. Early on some excuse not to do that, just not enough tests produced, and CDC tests faulty. Later, no excuse. That did not have to bet the case, Trump could have changed the policy to instigate systematic sampling as his health advisors wanted. His main problem was that he had made a stand that everything was fine, could not admit error, and denied that the testing being done showed any problem at all. VERY weak case for that. Then he consistently doubled down on it, and said it was all over already or would be soon without a shred of evidence of that. More testing would have made that clear. Could not do that, could he... |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2021 21:16:41 GMT -6
We are now getting studies on natural immunity and there is some state legislation to "count" natural immunity as a formal exception to requiring vaccination. Just like most Covid issues that answer isn't quite as simple as it sounds. Yes, having had Covid is (usually) protection. It just isn't so simple.
A couple of points from the article raise questions about deferring vaccination: 1. Adding vaccination creates MUCH better immunity if you have also have had an infection, stronger response and better against variants.
3. Immunity does wane and a booster is needed at some point. After infection, there is immunity (with caveats) but also serious risk of "Long Covid."4. Immunity from infection does not work as well against variants. Delta has changed the odds there. What worked last winter may not work now.
So natural immunity is hardly foolproof, and it's still advisable to be vaccinated.
It occurs to me that if you are very risk averse because of vaccine side effects, that plan means you are dealing with pretty serious "side effects." Like, serious illness, even death, and infecting others. Not much of that with vaccine. Side effects study published
So. Your plan should be not getting infected. Despite a highly contagious delta variation. Hard to do. Estimates 3/4 of those not vaccinated will probably be infected because of delta being so contagious.. Masks and social distance are especially important to you if that is your plan, that, and hanging out only with vaccinated people. (Which also means you should urge everyone you like to hang out with, and probably everyone else too, to get vaccinated.)
I don't think there is a fool proof plan, but vaccination seems clearly the least risky, easiest, and cheapest by far.
The only bright spot for those not vaccinated is we do have better treatment and can cut the fatality rate. And, we can eventually look forward for more emerging. But that takes time. New treatment in trials Nothing dramatic expected this year. |
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Post by villagepub on Sept 29, 2021 17:53:17 GMT -6
I heard that posting very long message board responses will ward off any variant of Covid-19.
Covid-19 has a very short life and does not want to waste it being bored to death on a host who types extremely too much.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 30, 2021 6:11:42 GMT -6
Only Sith deal in absolutes. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 2, 2021 10:37:29 GMT -6
BSU grad Goeff Hutchison mentioned here for his work on Covid genome.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 2, 2021 21:39:14 GMT -6
Lots of articles on the internet that disagree with the findings of the one linked above, such as the following. techstartups.com/2021/08/25/two-new-studies-israel-uk-found-natural-immunity-far-superior-much-better-artificial-immunity-vaccines-vaccinated-people-also-13-times-likely/"According to two new studies from the UK and Israel, researchers found that natural immunity is far superior and much better than artificial immunity derived from vaccines as part of the largest real-world observational study." A study with nearly 800,000 subjects is a bit stronger statically than this guy citing his personal experiences with his wife and daughter's infections. "At the end of the study, researchers found that vaccinated people were 13 times as likely to be infected and 27 times to have symptomatic infections as a matched cohort that was previously infected with the Delta variant. The paper also shows that offering previously infected people one dose slightly reduced their infection risk (probably not enough to outweigh side effects)." Good news for Fauci however with the Chinese now determining where and how the pandemic started. He's in the clear. www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-media-says-maine-lobster-095900450.html |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 2, 2021 21:55:06 GMT -6
Read my post above.
Your argument is a silly one NOT to be vaccinated. For reasons stated.
And you ignore that those side effects of natural immunity are killer...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 2, 2021 22:19:21 GMT -6
Good news on the local front after Ball being maxed out a couple weeks ago cases at the Hospital are coming down. I don't know if this country wide. To be honest I've stopped following.. I do however have another non Vax friend who is without taste and smell and running a 102 temp. It's just sinuses though. I will never say we should force the vaccine on anyone. It's a personal choice I just do not get why anyone would not get it other than just being stubborn.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 2, 2021 22:29:35 GMT -6
Fair to say don't come to work or school and infect others though.
The choice to risk the virus doesn't just impact the individual.
You force everyone else to take a risk...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 3, 2021 0:37:36 GMT -6
That's just it he tells me as I'm sitting a foot away from him this morning while he's announcing a youth football game. His thought process is 90% of everyone he knows is vaccinated so they should be fine. That might be partly true but why risk it
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 3, 2021 8:32:17 GMT -6
Right. It's not who you know but who you, your kid, your fellow shoppers know. And who they come in contact with.
Plus breakthrough infection. Vax is not 100% and wanes over time.
The community suffers and it bounces back at you. Hospitals stressed, businesses can't get employees and so on. Not to mention the expense to every level of government.
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Post by sweep on Oct 3, 2021 9:05:16 GMT -6
Fair to say don't come to work or school and infect others though. The choice to risk the virus doesn't just impact the individual. You force everyone else to take a risk... I am so glad you are here to tell us that, because we are all so fucking stupid we don't understand how contagious illnesses spread. Oh and you can spread the virus even if you have been immunized and wear a mask. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 3, 2021 9:07:21 GMT -6
Fair to say don't come to work or school and infect others though. The choice to risk the virus doesn't just impact the individual. You force everyone else to take a risk... I am so glad you are here to tell us that, because we are all so fucking stupid we don't understand how contagious illnesses spreads. Tell Tucker and the anti vax people about it... |
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Post by sweep on Oct 3, 2021 9:09:22 GMT -6
I am so glad you are here to tell us that, because we are all so fucking stupid we don't understand how contagious illnesses spreads. Tell Tucker and the anti vax people about it... Who is Tucker ? |
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