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Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2021 6:44:16 GMT -6
The Israeli study says nothing about wisdom of vaccination. WTF does that mean ? The rest of the post you quote and the previous post in the thread should give you a clue.
The Israeli study does not conclude vaccination is not required or not desirable. It does identify in a good sized sample what the impact was during a period of time. It indicates only for that period of time what the relative immunity of natural infection was. Israel is continuing a robust program of vaccination including boosters and vaccination for those previously infected.
The problems with that natural immunity were discussed in my original post which you perhaps failed to read. Start there and respond. You will see pretty easily WTF it means. The points in my original post (each one ignored by you) show it's not simple and that there are problems with that immunity.
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Post by sweep on Oct 4, 2021 6:53:39 GMT -6
The Israeli study does not conclude vaccination is not required or not desirable. Gosh maybe because it's a SCIENTIFIC STUDY that focuses on a different subject matter. Go away idiot. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2021 20:28:59 GMT -6
The Israeli study does not conclude vaccination is not required or not desirable. Gosh maybe because it's a SCIENTIFIC STUDY that focuses on a different subject matter. That is exactly right. Which is what I said... |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2021 20:30:41 GMT -6
So eager to be a tool, they again reprint and misinterpret garbage research.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 4, 2021 20:39:23 GMT -6
Three Pfizer scientists were recorded on undercover video by Project Veritas in the latest installment of their "Covid-19 Vaccine Exposed" series. In a 10-minute video released Monday night, all three scientists agreed separately conveyed that natural antibodies produced following a Covid-19 infection are superior to the vaccine. Yeah, Zerohedge being a tool again. www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/veritas-records-pfizer-scientists-your-antibodies-probably-better-vax-after-infection-waitSo how is Zerohedge misinterpreting the words of these 3 Pfizer scientists? "When somebody is naturally immune -- like they got COVID -- they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination," said scientist Nick Karl. "The city [of New York] needs like vax cards and everything. It’s just about making it so inconvenient for unvaccinated people to the point where they're just like, ‘F*ck it. I’ll get it.’ You know?" he added." |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2021 20:56:10 GMT -6
In a 10-minute video... conveyed that natural antibodies produced following a Covid-19 infection are superior to the vaccine. Yeah, Zerohedge being a tool again. "When somebody is naturally immune -- like they got COVID -- they probably have more antibodies against the virus... That is not exactly a killer point. Not sure anybody contests that. It is not an argument for anybody to avoid getting the shot... Nor does it have anything to do with the problems and limitations stated above with relying on natural immunity. BTW, Did you read the instances of inaccuracy, misinterpretation and lack of context in the linked article? One critique of Pfizer is hardly evidence refuting how your favorite source of misinformation has repeatedly shown no editorial judgment as it regularly misinterprets, stretches the truth, and prints fringe opinion on Covid topics. |
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Post by sweep on Oct 5, 2021 3:06:12 GMT -6
So eager to be a tool, they again reprint and misinterpret garbage research.
Oh please, don't pretend the left isn't responsible for lazy garbage journalism on an hourly basis. Two years of false Russian collusion nonsense from the NYT and Wash Post, yet you're in a twist about an article reposted on Zero Hedge. Grow-up.............. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 5, 2021 6:05:56 GMT -6
So eager to be a tool, they again reprint and misinterpret garbage research.
Oh please, don't pretend the left isn't responsible for lazy garbage journalism on an hourly basis. We are talking about science reporting here. Sad and ludicrous in equal parts that you think Wapo and the NYT publishing operations are remotely comparable to this two bit web outlet for conspiracy theory. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 5, 2021 7:35:47 GMT -6
Calhoun and Dr Fauci, what a pairing, point out the two key things to decide the matter. There isn't much downside of vaccine for anybody, and that there is considerable unknown requiring more study. Community safety and individual safety for those who claim natural immunity requires some kind of test which measures the degree of immunity, which we don't have.
Further study is ongoing but right now but we have no way to know the concentration of antibodies and other immunity mechanisms for somebody who was previously infected, and don't know the duration of protection for natural immunity. Do know that vaccination can lead to super immunity if you are previously infected.
Early vaccination cases also face similar questions, but we have more data on that. So CDC and Fauci have it right that first priority is to get as many as possible vaccinated, and then, another dose of vaccine if last dose was 6-8 months ago to be safe.
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Post by sweep on Oct 5, 2021 8:07:47 GMT -6
Oh please, don't pretend the left isn't responsible for lazy garbage journalism on an hourly basis. We are talking about science reporting here. Sad and ludicrous in equal parts that you think Wapo and the NYT publishing operations are remotely comparable to this two bit web outlet for conspiracy theory. That's the dumbest argument of all time. So we should cut the Times and Post a break because they spend far more money posting false, incorrect and nonsense information. You really are an idiot. |
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Post by sweep on Oct 5, 2021 8:12:18 GMT -6
There isn't much downside of vaccine for anybody........... Unless YOU are one of those "anybobies" and the government is mandating you inject the vaccine regardless of the higher than normal risk to your health. Go away Human Garbage. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 5, 2021 8:51:08 GMT -6
There isn't much downside of vaccine for anybody........... Unless YOU are one of those "anybobies" and the government is mandating you inject the vaccine regardless of the higher than normal risk to your health. How very uncommon that is. Information here about that concern. If normal risk is negligible, the number with such high risk they should consider avoiding vaccination are very rare. Many of those people are also at VERY high risk for Covid, but assume that some very few people have good medical reason. How many is that versus how many others now not vaccinated are seriously harmed if they are not vaccinated.
The number of somebodies helped far outweighs the rare situations you are worried about.
What do you believe those numbers are?
The dollars and sense decision is also clear. For a business decision look at the expense of health insurance, at the costs of lost productivity when employees are sick, and then there is that little matter of possibly harming customers...
Those opposing vaccination VERY rarely are in that group you are concerned about, whatever that is...you will have trouble identifying any large number.
Some few who oppose have sincere religious objection, but many more sadly are victims of misinformation.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 5, 2021 9:02:31 GMT -6
We are talking about science reporting here. Sad and ludicrous in equal parts that you think Wapo and the NYT publishing operations are remotely comparable to this two bit web outlet for conspiracy theory. That's the dumbest argument of all time. So we should cut the Times and Post a break because they spend far more money posting false, incorrect and nonsense information. The outlet you are comparing to established news organizations is by any objective measure a joke on science reporting.
Please look at the history of the outlet you are defending and if you want to do so, make a case for their deserving factual journalistic credibility. What credibility they have has been in providing philosophical opinion on Austrian Economics and in contrarian financial analysis. Not highly respected even there among economic and finance professionals.
If you are relying on the information from that site, no wonder you have no grasp of public health facts.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 5, 2021 9:40:54 GMT -6
We are talking about science reporting here. Sad and ludicrous in equal parts that you think Wapo and the NYT publishing operations are remotely comparable to this two bit web outlet for conspiracy theory. So we should cut the Times and Post a break because they spend far more money posting false, incorrect and nonsense information. No. Not if that is actually the case. I totally agree we should not cut anybody a break for publishing false or incorrect factual date or nonsense about science. For example, your vague and unsupported assertions about vaccination and public health, and your total absence of defense of Zero Hedge reporting on science.
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Post by sweep on Oct 5, 2021 9:54:34 GMT -6
Unless YOU are one of those "anybobies" and the government is mandating you inject the vaccine regardless of the higher than normal risk to your health. How very uncommon that is. It doesn't matter how common or uncommon it is if it's your health and the mandate is absolute. Grow-up child. |
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