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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2021 11:01:54 GMT -6
Above, VAERS is cited as a basis for avoiding vaccine.
VAERS reports all deaths after vaccination. If vaccinated and you step in front of a bus, it is included.
It is self reported data, and subject frequently to misinterpretation in antivax stories.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 9, 2021 20:48:47 GMT -6
Nordic countries are restricting Moderna ONLY with young people. True until today when Iceland banned the use of Moderna for everyone. Government Bureaucrats are often like sheep. We'll see now that one government has concluded the risk of using the Moderna vaccine is too great, if others will follow. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 10, 2021 3:21:28 GMT -6
Iceland is 88% vaccinated with no existing problem with Moderna. Has more than enough Pfizer for full population coverage.
Abundance of caution? Not avoidance of vaccination.
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Post by sweep on Oct 10, 2021 9:02:28 GMT -6
Iceland is 88% vaccinated with no existing problem with Moderna. Where did you get that figure, everything I see has Iceland at about 75%. Can you source the 88% number, or did you pull it out of your ass like almost everything else you post ? Also how do you know they have no existing problems with the Moderna vaccine ? |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 10, 2021 9:51:35 GMT -6
Iceland is 88% vaccinated with no existing problem with Moderna. Where did you get that figure, everything I see has Iceland at about 75%. Can you source the 88% number, or did you pull it out of your ass like almost everything else you post ? Also how do you know they have no existing problems with the Moderna vaccine ? Mostly because there are no reports of problems in Iceland (surely we would trust Zero Hedge and other anti vax sites to report such) and the announcement cites the European studies as reason to be cautious, and that they have abundant supply of alternative vaccines.
Note that they do continue to strongly recommend vaccination for all where approval of a vaccine has been made.
They have vaccinated only about 20K people out of 377,000 with Moderna, and have been using Pfizer exclusively for 12-16 age group.
Occurrence of side effects of any kind is very rare across world wide use of vaccines approved for use in Iceland.
In the European and Scandinavian studies the myocarditis side effect has been rare and among those with the rare side effect only 3% have been hospitalized.
The fact pfizer is even less likely to have that side effect and there is abundant supply leads to the Moderna supsension while the studies are evaluated. There is no finding of a problem with any approved vaccine accept possibly the Astrazenica in wide use in England. Even that is would be a quite reasonable risk if there were no alternatives.
Remember actually getting Covid (pretty likely now that delta is circulating if you are not vaccinated) leads to 9 times the risk of myocarditis compared to all vaccine experience.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 10, 2021 19:09:24 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 13, 2021 9:16:02 GMT -6
BTW, hospital workers are not only more often vaccinated than the general public, but almost universally wear masks. Their patients are masked. Not many dissenters about that... Should we avoid a mandate in the general public and practice the same level of mitigation? Even less would kill the pandemic. From my experience of living 11 years in Indonesia, for anything serious, you wanted to go to Singapore if you wanted a decent chance of survival. Singapore is on this list of 5 safest cities post pandemic. Great public health infrastructure, including hospital and medical care as well as government and public committed to practicing mitigation.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 15, 2021 10:52:17 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 15, 2021 11:55:05 GMT -6
FLORIDA report I see more masks at marsh in muncie...
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 15, 2021 13:06:30 GMT -6
FLORIDA report I see more masks at marsh in muncie... Everybody is suffering Covid fatigue. Just don't want to think about it any more and more are choosing to ignore it despite the delta variant. Did not help that pre-delta this summer things really were safe.
There are two worlds down there. The retirees in many places are over 90% vaccinated and are safe especially when hanging out with the other seniors.
The younger people outside the retirement communities have vaccination rate even lower than Muncie probably. This last surge hit them hard, but it doesn't seem to have changed behaviors, whatever the reason for vaccine hesitancy. It seems that avoiding mitigation and avoiding vaccination go hand in hand for some reason.
The people with masks are probably old vaccinated, not in much danger, or dangerous to others. Just good examples not enough follow. We need the people who aren't vaccinated to wear the masks.
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Post by sweep on Oct 15, 2021 14:56:08 GMT -6
FLORIDA report I see more masks at marsh in muncie... Man, imagine the health considerations if the Muncie Zayre were still open. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 15, 2021 18:59:22 GMT -6
Last I looked nation wide cases had began to drop again so maybe that means we have turned the corner on Delta.. Been with a weird mix of people this past week. Pharmacist,Principal,farmers,medical.. Some vaxed others not.. One hot topic was children being Vaxed at 12. I asked the pharmacist what he planned to do and he said he was unsure. He said almost no one with kids around 12 had been in to receive Vax. He said Highschool age Athletes were the only group of under 18 kids he had seen come in in significant numbers
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 15, 2021 21:55:16 GMT -6
Last I looked nation wide cases had began to drop again so maybe that means we have turned the corner on Delta.. Been with a weird mix of people this past week. Pharmacist,Principal,farmers,medical.. Some vaxed others not.. One hot topic was children being Vaxed at 12. I asked the pharmacist what he planned to do and he said he was unsure. He said almost no one with kids around 12 had been in to receive Vax. He said Highschool age Athletes were the only group of under 18 kids he had seen come in in significant numbers Some of that may be Florida, but I could understand caution. We are accumulating enough data that it is probably too cautious. It looks now like the recommendation will be for kids in the next younger group kicking in by November. Will be Pfizer approved in an abundance of caution. But even the data for Moderna really isn't that scary.
Many parents will get their 7 year olds vaccinated as soon as possible, there is no way grade schools are safe now. The kids infected asymptomatic will all become super immune. That would help with community spread. But caution for few months on that age group is understandable. Not probably justified, but understandable. Hope the lag is short.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 16, 2021 5:21:08 GMT -6
No these were all indiana folk and I think your wrong. I don't see people rushing to Vax their kids but as we all here agreed at some point all schools will make it mandatory
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2021 7:14:31 GMT -6
No these were all indiana folk and I think your wrong. I don't see people rushing to Vax their kids but as we all here agreed at some point all schools will make it mandatory I don't see a high volume rush, but do see some getting it ASAP. Indiana did pretty well with the elderly, but is now slowed to a stop with younger adults. I'm not surprised that would influence what they do with kids. My daughter and her friends expect to get their kids in that age group vaccinated right away. The more who do, the less anxiety about getting the shot I expect. |
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