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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 16, 2021 11:32:08 GMT -6
So went to the fort at St Augustine this morning strict 100 person minimum. Mask required because it is a national park. The only people who wore masks were from out of the country.. No one enforcing the masking
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 16, 2021 17:06:00 GMT -6
Interesting thing I've noticed, is that hospitals don't seem to be as full as we've been told. They may have been at one time, but something I never heard mentioned is that hospitals made all rooms private, instead of 2 to a room as was normal.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2021 19:22:50 GMT -6
Interesting thing I've noticed, is that hospitals don't seem to be as full as we've been told. They may have been at one time, but something I never heard mentioned is that hospitals made all rooms private, instead of 2 to a room as was normal. It has been "normal" most places to have private rooms since before the pandemic. The trend has been that direction for 15-20 years.
The capacity of the hospital system today is more related to staffing than actual physical space.
At Covid peak I am sure there was some consideration given to use of single rooms only due to need to extend ICU capacity.
That peak is thankfully past and most places now have ICU beds available. What we have not been told is more the staff shortage and reduction in standards of care in heavily hit regions. Not only is treatment not available that is normally available but even critical care has been rationed in the most hard hit areas.
Staff doctors in specialty areas like gastro and even cardiac care, along with nursing and other personnel have been transferred to emergency room and Covid care.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2021 19:28:48 GMT -6
Hopefully this surge is over, but lack of vaccination is the main reason for something like 90K unnecessary deaths nation wide June to September.
Of course masks, distancing and other mitigation would have helped.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2021 20:10:31 GMT -6
No these were all indiana folk and I think your wrong. I don't see people rushing to Vax their kids... I tend to agree about the rush issue, especially with the surge subsiding.
43% of parents of kids under 12 are “very likely” to vaccinate their children once Covid-19 vaccines are approved for that age range, while 24% are somewhat likely, 11% are not very likely, 15% are not at all likely and 8% don’t know.
Among parents of 12- to 18-year-olds—who are already eligible for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine—54% said their child had been vaccinated.
Forty percent of parents of unvaccinated 12- to 18-year-olds said no factor would change their mind (so about 20% of respondents), and 10% of all parents and under-12 parents said there were no reasons for why they would get their child inoculated.
Two-thirds of parents with a child in 5-11 group say they are likely to get their child vaccinated when it is approved.
Sixty percent of parents of school-aged children (ages 5-18) support schools requiring eligible children to get a vaccine to attend school in person.
For parents of 5-18-year-olds, their likelihood to vaccinate their child, and their support for vaccine requirements, depends heavily on their own personal vaccination status.
Maybe there is slightly more interest in parents of younger children who are in grade schools than parents of the 12-18 age group.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 23, 2021 20:25:14 GMT -6
A few developments this past week: 1) Sweden extended the ban on the use of the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine for anyone under the age of 31 due to the risk of myocarditis joining Iceland, Finland, and Denmark who had already done so. www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10116783/Sweden-extends-pause-Modernas-COVID-19-vaccine-young-people-30.htmlFor the same risk of myocarditis, the FDA in the US has delayed the use of the Moderna vaccine in 12 to 17 year-olds. www.wsj.com/articles/fda-delays-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-for-adolescents-to-review-rare-myocarditis-side-effect-11634315159Admittedly the risk of myocarditis is low, but so is the risk of death from Covid-19 in this age group for anyone without underlying conditions. In spite of the opinions of some on this board, the governments of Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland have decided for now the risk-reward of using the Moderna vaccine in this age group is unacceptable. 2) A top NIH official admitted in a Wednesday letter that the US-funded so-called "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan, China - and that the US nonprofit which conducted it, EcoHealth Alliance - led by the controversial Peter Daszak, "failed to report" that they had created a chimeric bat coronavirus which could infect humans. In a letter addressed to Rep. James Comer (R-KY), NIH Principal Deputy Director Lawrence A. Tabak cites a "limited experiment" to determine whether "spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model." According to the letter, humanized mice infected with the modified bat virus "became sicker" than those exposed to an unmodified version of the same bat coronavirus. Daszak failed to report this finding, and has been given five days to submit "any and all unpublished data from the experiments and work conducted" under the NIH grant. This combined with the earlier emails released under a FOIA request pretty much pins guilt to Fauci and Collins. The next "firewall" to protect Fauci will most likely be the NIH claiming they didn't know what Ecohealth was actually doing with the grant money. Good luck with that one. 3) The firings of those refusing to take the vaccine are beginning to mount adding to already growing shortage of workers and health care providers. The police union in Chicago is attempting an interesting defense, instructing all their members to refuse to give their vaccination status. Guess Mayor Lightfoot will be forced to fire the entire force if she doesn't know which ones have gotten the jab and which ones haven't. That's one way to achieve defunding of the police. All this is so unnecessary with the Covid-19 Delta variant spike following the same pattern it did in India and Indonesia; a 3-4 month bell curve followed by a lowering to a baseline level. The Biden Administration orchestrated firing of thousands of workers will not alter what is occurring naturally. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 23, 2021 21:23:35 GMT -6
A few developments this past week...All this is so unnecessary with the Covid-19 Delta variant spike following the same pattern it did in India and Indonesia; a 3-4 month bell curve followed by a lowering to a baseline level. The Biden Administration orchestrated firing of thousands of workers will not alter what is occurring naturally. All this is a red herring argument justifying vaccine hesitancy which has resulted in more than 100,000 deaths since July.
While there has been a peak and it is now down from the highest level your arguments dodge the question about vaccine hesitancy. Projections such as this show this "baseline" level of deaths you seem to think is so harmless and acceptable is quite high. That level will be at or above 1000 deaths a day through the end of year...most preventable by vaccinating 85% of the population instead of the current level.
The Moderna side effects are a particularly egregious red herring, since the heart disease caused is very rare and easily treatable. FAR LESS deadly or otherwise dangerous than Covid. And of course the vaccine hesitant due to negligible risk of Moderna have several alternatives.
Those who are willing to lose their job are not young men at risk of Moderna side effect. Most not subject to that risk and NONE need take Moderna. Essentially it is their decision to leave their job. Too many basing their decision on groundless fears.
There are other reasons for their decision, perhaps some religious or philosophical and understandable. But nothing you offer about the risks explain how that is a rational decision with vaccine having such negligible risk. And with consequence of not taking action creating danger to the public quite serious. There would be no need for mandate without the flood of bogus information about vaccines.
That evidence we have on vaccines is conclusive, and sadly has been ignored by many public officials who have failed to vigorously encourage vaccination. Instead too many instead support groundless anti-vax arguments and like you are willing to accept the deadly consequences. I do not.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 24, 2021 21:52:31 GMT -6
While there has been a peak and it is now down from the highest level your arguments dodge the question about vaccine hesitancy. Projections such as this show this "baseline" level of deaths you seem to think is so harmless and acceptable is quite high. That level will be at or above 1000 deaths a day through the end of year...most preventable by vaccinating 85% of the population instead of the current level.
That evidence we have on vaccines is conclusive, and sadly has been ignored by many public officials who have failed to vigorously encourage vaccination. Instead too many instead support groundless anti-vax arguments and like you are willing to accept the deadly consequences. I do not.
I find the projections of your linked website to be completely bogus. In India, where the Delta Variant began, at the height of the outbreak in May, 2021 they averaged approximately 4,000 deaths per day due to Covid-19. Today in October, 2021 they are averaging approximately 250 deaths per day. Recall India is a nation of approximately 1.4 billion while the US is more like 330 million. An equivalent baseline for the US would be around 60 deaths per day. I anticipate a baseline death rate for the US from Covid-19 of around 100 per day. As a benchmark, I'll point out approximately 200 people die in the US each day from drug overdoses. Going forward Covid-19 deaths will probably be about half what drug overdoses are. I will not defend those who choose not to get the vaccine if they haven't already had the virus. I think those are bad decisions. I would support their right to make their own decisions in life. If other folks are vaccinated, they shouldn't be a risk to anyone other than themselves. The only argument you have that holds any water is their use of hospital facilities. I would argue those same facilities are clogged with drug users who have been facilitated by the drugs flowing into the US via Joe Biden's open southern border policy. The real problem is your denial of the science of acquired immunity from surviving the virus. The science clearly shows this acquired immunity is as good, and most likely better than that acquired from being vaccinated. These folks don't need to take the risk of the vaccine, no matter how small that might be. There have been approximately 45 million confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the US. We both know that there have been many more unreported cases, especially in the early days of the pandemic when testing supplies were limited. My guess is there are at least 1 to 2 unreported cases for every reported one. That would mean somewhere between 90 to 135 million actual cases in the US. Now many those folks have subsequently received the vaccine, but there are still many that haven't; 50 million maybe? My belief is that this is the bulk of Americans not wanting to be needlessly vaccinated. |
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 24, 2021 21:58:48 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2021 22:12:17 GMT -6
I don't deny immunity by infection, but the extent and duration of the immunity is not clear. It varies greatly depending on several factors. Above I laid out the issues.
What is clear is vaccination after infection is even better! Super immunity!
In any case vaccination is VERY safe if you are immune, even safer than if not previously infected. So what's the problem? Infinitesimal risk to have super immunity? And if your previous infection is not, by chance, strong persistent immunity, you're covered.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 24, 2021 22:26:23 GMT -6
I don't deny immunity by infection, but the extent and duration of the immunity is not clear. It varies greatly depending on several factors. Above I laid out the issues. What is clear is vaccination after infection is even better! Super immunity! In any case vaccination is VERY safe if you are immune, even safer than if not previously infected. So what's the problem? Infinitesimal risk to have super immunity? And if your previous infection is not, by chance, strong persistent immunity, you're covered. I think it's the other way around, infection after vaccination, the so-called breakthrough cases that give super immunity. By the way, thanks for the reports on the BSU basketball scrimmage. Sounds like you were one of the few to attend. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 25, 2021 7:08:47 GMT -6
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-xI suggest that either way it's best to be vaccinated. But the study is conclusive that if you have been infected, you should still be vaccinated. The exception to requirements makes much less sense given EXTREMELY low risk and high probability of super immunity. Get the shot. Get the booster. Follow CDC guidelines.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 25, 2021 7:40:58 GMT -6
I don't deny immunity by infection, but the extent and duration of the immunity is not clear. By the way, thanks for the reports on the BSU basketball scrimmage. Sounds like you were one of the few to attend. Not many there. But It was good to see basketball in Worthen again. The crowd seem enthusiastic about what they saw. Heard briefly from players and coaches after the scrimmage.
It was too much like an AAU game, although more physical, to draw many conclusions. Overall, the impression I have is the team is not a great outside shooting group, but not bad, and is bigger and stronger than other Whitford teams. They play more aggressively with physical contact and play through it better. They were moving and could open the middle to give room to several players who can score there, more players can drive to the basket.
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Post by sweep on Oct 27, 2021 7:33:51 GMT -6
I noticed Florida now has the lowest Covid rate in the nation. I wonder what MSNBC will say.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 27, 2021 7:45:37 GMT -6
I wonder what MSNBC will say. "Obviously, Florida officials are lying." |
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