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Post by bsu0 on Jan 2, 2016 10:22:27 GMT -6
FCS, FBI, CIA, DOD I can't keep them all straight. Everyone knows what I mean by D-1, D-2,and D-3. Not underfunded, fine. We are a program that is under supported by the dollar amount it will take to build an indoor facility. I stand corrected but I can also sympathise that as a head coach it gets old to beg, plead, and cry every time something is needed in order to stay even with the other teams in the conference. Very few times has Ball State ever been the first on the block in football. We are constantly playing keep up rather than taking proactive steps and forcing the other teams to react to our moves. That could help in recruiting both players and assistants here, don't you think?
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Jan 2, 2016 11:17:35 GMT -6
It certainly would. I don't see that ever happening there. What we need is more very rich alums who are into sports. That's where it all happens. I think the indoor facility would be a big help and keep us out of the disadvantaged position. I think that's all we can hope for. And really, if you are in the middle that wouldn't be bad. The fact that everyone will have that facility but us isn't a good thing. Problem is, where's the money.
Need to find a way to sell it as more of a general use facility benefiting more of the student body.
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 2, 2016 11:20:08 GMT -6
I think you contact Farley or anyone else you feel could do a good job. If they not interested you move on. However I do not feel the salaries of either Farley or Klieman are such that we immediately say they are to high to pursue. How did Wyoming get Craig Boal to leave ND State after 11 years who was the builder of that program. They approached him and found he wanted to try D1. Trust me as someone who has been to Laramie he did not leave Fargo for the climate or the community. The fan support was greater in Fargo than Wyoming.
I think we are going to be paying a new coach more than $350,000. I would also think anyone taking the job would assume that BSU would with his success be willing to pay as much as the current top paid coach in the conference makes in a few years. Heck right now with the NIU complaints at Carey I would call him and see if he is interested in the job.
I think playing in the MAC and D1 requires our ability to provide facilities to compete with the other members. If we can not do that then we are in the wrong conference and division. That is certainly something I question based on our recent attendance figures. I have stated in the past that I do not see the MAC continuing to play at the top level in football because we can not afford to. EMU, Kent and Akron are in very similar circumstances to ours. NIU's attendance even with their success in football is not bringing in crowds any greater than 10 years ago at home. I will be surprised if WMU success increases the FB game attendance more than a 1,000 next year.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 2, 2016 11:26:28 GMT -6
Emu has had an indoor practice facility since 2010. Having one clearly drives success.....
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Jan 2, 2016 11:38:20 GMT -6
Lol. Well, I think there are multiple issues there that a practice building can't fix!
Even that collapsed!
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 2, 2016 11:42:22 GMT -6
Let's hire John Thompson....not the basketball family that most of us were embarrassed by but rather the interim Coach that beat BSU in the Go Daddy Bowl. He has great experience including the SEC, and although he's 59 he still seems to have plenty of fire in the belly. He is defensive minded which we need a lot more of and he certainly beat our pants off before. ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/texas-state-assistant-coach-john-thompson-college-football |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 2, 2016 11:46:04 GMT -6
I'd love to have one too but it will require a big name donor and that doesn't appear likely. The Letterman outdoor sports practice and events facility sounds good......
I'd heard that "leaders" have been opposed to one because the buildings aren't aesthetically pleasing. If that's true we're screwed with that kind of thinking anyway and it'll never happen.
But, we've won without one and we can continue to do so. A good coach who knows how to recruit can sell the university and program regardless. Just the same as those MAC schools who DO have indoor facilities and don't win that can't sell it.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2016 13:44:02 GMT -6
I don't think aesthetics is the issue. Finding the big donor is. I like the way we spent the 20 mil we raised.
If we can't raise the money earmarked for football and keep other sports reasonably well funded, it is a mistake to put everything into football.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 2, 2016 13:52:59 GMT -6
I used to think that a video board was a waste of money until I read reports of recruits asking where our video board was!! What was important a few years ago is not important now and vice versa. Virtually everyone on this site says an indoor practice area is essential...so be it. If you can't beat 'em join 'em. Bear Bryant made his players cut their hair short UNTIL he lost a number of recruits to schools that let their players grow their hair longer. Suddenly he saw the light and let them grow their hair...Gotta change with the times.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2016 14:26:06 GMT -6
A practice facility costs a little more than a video board.
It is not a total waste, it may be essential to "keep up" with the MAC schools, but that begs the question of whether it is worth it. Maybe "keeping up" in all areas is just not possible, and the costs could exceed the benefits. It all depends on that donor who is willing to give money only for that purpose.
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 2, 2016 14:54:50 GMT -6
I think the AD needs to start a drive to raise the funds for a practice facility and have the new coach assist in deciding what they need. One way I would try to raise money for it would be in getting a corporate sponsor whose name would be given to the facility. I would do the same thing to the football stadium. How much money it would bring in I have no idea but Arkansas State and Texas State were able to get sponsors to help them. The size of those cities is similar to Muncie. Also seek assistance from the recent football team members playing professionally.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 2, 2016 15:26:46 GMT -6
I think the AD needs to start a drive to raise the funds for a practice facility and have the new coach assist in deciding what they need. One way I would try to raise money for it would be in getting a corporate sponsor whose name would be given to the facility. I would do the same thing to the football stadium. How much money it would bring in I have no idea but Arkansas State and Texas State were able to get sponsors to help them. The size of those cities is similar to Muncie. Also seek assistance from the recent football team members playing professionally. I imagine the approx. $6 million combined the Scheumanns, Fishers and Kozels gave less than decade ago for the football stadium, training complex and press box might prohibit renaming any of those, at least for several more years. I always thought it was a little silly when schools started doing things like naming the floor in the arena and things like that, but most schools sell whatever they can so I'm sure they'd be happy to have Joel say that the coin flip before the game is taking place at the Central Indiana Orthopedics 50-yard-line on Pepsi Field in Scheumann Stadium. |
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Post by cardcat on Jan 2, 2016 15:31:27 GMT -6
**Updated list**
See top of thread.
I added everyone mentioned in the thread but the Chipster. Let me know if you see errors or want to add any detail.
Thanks for all the help!
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Post by thedon80 on Jan 2, 2016 18:21:55 GMT -6
Just talked to Football Scoop Staff on twitter about what's going on with the HC opening here and they said the AD was interviewing people the past week and that they think it's getting close.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 2, 2016 18:23:41 GMT -6
Amazingly quiet process
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