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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2020 11:58:52 GMT -6
Try the comparison with other Nordic countries which are most like Sweden and had modest lock down and then observed social distancing and masking.
Britain, Spain, Belgium and Italy not only had poor government response, but have demographics different than Sweden.
It's still a good rebuttal. Especially since all of those countries are still far better than the US in the impact of the virus.
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Aug 9, 2020 12:07:43 GMT -6
A look back at the 1918 pandemic and WWI shows some teams did play a more limited schedule and had fans in the seats. That pandemic was truly deadly as 50 to 60 million people died worldwide of the Spanish Flu. Covid is not near that deadly, is treatable if caught early, and quick research allows one to help their immune system avoid a serious case of this virus if positive. The 1918 football season: www.si.com/college/tmg/tony-barnhart/spanish-fluRF
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 10, 2020 9:15:27 GMT -6
It'll be interesting to see how this gets spun in the spring. Won't testing still be needed? Is it going to magically get cheaper?
I'm not that optimistic that spring will bring college sports with it.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 10, 2020 9:34:38 GMT -6
It'll be interesting to see how this gets spun in the spring. Won't testing still be needed? Is it going to magically get cheaper? I'm not that optimistic that spring will bring college sports with it. Good questions. There is mildly optimistic chance costs will be addressed as a higher priority in the new Congress, and we just have to reverse some policy so we can do better over the next 6 months handling the disease. In that event the need for testing might be reduced after a second wave in October subsides.
I agree with you on the conclusion about Spring FB and whether it has any chance at all. The talk about Spring sounds like speculative fiction, spin to make cancellation seem less horrible.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 10, 2020 9:46:01 GMT -6
A look back at the 1918 pandemic and WWI shows some teams did play a more limited schedule and had fans in the seats. That pandemic was truly deadly as 50 to 60 million people died worldwide of the Spanish Flu. Covid is not near that deadly, is treatable if caught early, and quick research allows one to help their immune system avoid a serious case of this virus if positive. The 1918 football season: www.si.com/college/tmg/tony-barnhart/spanish-fluOf course they had 500 million people infected in that pandemic. That was more than 1/4 of the world population.
The bad news compared to 1918 is how spread of the disease is more rapid despite the advances in knowledge and better public health response (Well not in the US of course) The big factor is how our society has fewer places isolated and how much commerce is long distance with much more travel. National and international.
The unequivocal good news is we we do have much better treatment, much better odds of a vaccine. And what is today in the US incompetent pandemic policy is much better than they were able to manage in 1918.
The really good news on death so far has been fewer deaths among young people. The bad news seems to be that the long term impact of the disease threatens to be worse as people take longer to recover and have permanent or long term health consequence.
We shouldn't count our chickens too soon, though. That flu raged for two years to get to that level and the second wave was much worse than the first. We aren't likely to get to that total since most of the world seems to be practicing good government and making intelligent response. They have more knowledge and most places using the knowledge.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 10, 2020 10:40:11 GMT -6
You sure like to bitch about the public health response, but you don't address the at-risk population that were:
A - in nursing homes and were victims of stupid policies that didn't separate COVID patients from other patients. B - continuing to go out when they should stay home. I've got several elderly neighbors that go out all the time, and have been since mid March.
The US has the most cases, but do you really think China and India are reporting accurate numbers? Do you think we're reporting accurately, or over-reporting? Indiana is well below the US average of cases per million, even with our resistance to masking, while New York, Florida, Arizona top the list, along with... Louisiana???
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 10, 2020 11:03:49 GMT -6
You sure like to bitch about the public health response, but you don't address the at-risk population that were: A - in nursing homes and were victims of stupid policies that didn't separate COVID patients from other patients. B - continuing to go out when they should stay home. I've got several elderly neighbors that go out all the time, and have been since mid March. The US has the most cases, but do you really think China and India are reporting accurate numbers? Do you think we're reporting accurately, or over-reporting? Indiana is well below the US average of cases per million, even with our resistance to masking, while New York, Florida, Arizona top the list, along with... Louisiana??? No question the nursing home population suffered. We bungled that threat by lax regulation of nursing homes, and for inadequate funding. For years. But don't downplay the role of the "healthy" in spreading the disease there, the staff and visitors who came into the homes were not wearing masks and following directives early on.
As for the old people going out, that is unfortunate. No doubt many did not exercise enough care, not wearing masks themselves, but not thinking it was dangerous others were not wearing masks. So they went out and did things they should not. Did they know the risk they were taking? Remember they were getting conflicting information about the danger. Many no doubt were FOX news viewers and relied on Trump social media posts to assess the threat.
Even now with Dr Fauci and the public health authorities constantly being questioned by our leadership, is it any wonder the elderly who support the administration would make mistakes when acting on the advice given them.
Besides. In public education and in public health we have to assume a good deal of public ignorance, that is the principle role of public health in many cases, to give clear warnings and to help protect those we KNOW will not get the message or ignore it. That's where having everyone mask protects everyone who is vulnerable.
It is NOT just the elderly who are vulnerable either. People of all ages may have risk factors where they are unaware. People of all ages may be ignorant of the way the disease spread. That seems obvious when people say "I am healthy, I don't need no stinkin' mask." The real puzzle to me is why people will not wear masks to protect others.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 10, 2020 11:06:07 GMT -6
Didn't take you long to make a tenuous connection to old folks - Fox - Trump, did it?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 10, 2020 11:11:50 GMT -6
Up until a month ago I was not a big masker.. I would wear one when I thought it was needed or where it was mandated. Since then though more and more people I know personally are testing positive. Ive just decided to error on the side of caution and just follow the protocals. It does no hurt me any
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Post by cardfan on Aug 10, 2020 12:00:47 GMT -6
Up until a month ago I was not a big masker.. I would wear one when I thought it was needed or where it was mandated. Since then though more and more people I know personally are testing positive. Ive just decided to error on the side of caution and just follow the protocals. It does no hurt me any Appreciate that.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 10, 2020 12:01:26 GMT -6
Didn't take you long to make a tenuous connection to old folks - Fox - Trump, did it? It is obvious not tenuous where misinformation and conflicting health messages are being offered.
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Post by comet on Aug 11, 2020 14:12:44 GMT -6
So do all the players have to leave and go back home until school starts in like two weeks ??
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 11, 2020 14:18:45 GMT -6
So do all the players have to leave and go back home until school starts in like two weeks ?? They are free to stay, voluntary workouts. Free to go home.
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Post by comet on Aug 11, 2020 15:24:00 GMT -6
So do all the players have to leave and go back home until school starts in like two weeks ?? They are free to stay, voluntary workouts. Free to go home. Thanks !!!!!! By workouts do you mean lifting or other types of workouts ?
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