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Aug 25, 2020 21:04:15 GMT -6
Post by rusty on Aug 25, 2020 21:04:15 GMT -6
Yes sir brightbart ! What an unbiased source of the truth. Lurkinmajerkin!
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Aug 25, 2020 21:14:20 GMT -6
Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 25, 2020 21:14:20 GMT -6
Well I did not read any of the above but Ill Chime in. If the mayor has talked about wanting to defund the police and is then having the same police protect her and her house. That is hypocritical and makes her look like a dumbass. If you go that far then just hire personal security so you do not get the backlash.
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Aug 25, 2020 23:33:34 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Aug 25, 2020 23:33:34 GMT -6
Gun control has no chance in Chicago. Too easy to take the train to East Chicago.
The Breitbart thing was about gun control not the Defund movement.
Lurkin' started out talking about guns. I say the Mayor would be a real dumbass if she didn't give the police guns outside her house.
Private is usually not the way mayors do it, not sure the optics of a public official having to have armed guards is ever really good, public or private. Trump didn't look very good on his military action to get a photo op, for example.
Anyway, I don't really get the Miracle Mile part, since I am not clear if there was a way to post armed guards up and down the Miracle Mile to prevent trouble, or do it the future. Situation didn't seem the same to me.
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Aug 26, 2020 1:28:23 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 26, 2020 1:28:23 GMT -6
Gun control has no chance in Chicago. Too easy to take the train to East Chicago. The Breitbart thing was about gun control not the Defund movement. Lurkin' started out talking about guns. I say the Mayor would be a real dumbass if she didn't give the police guns outside her house. Private is usually not the way mayors do it, not sure the optics of a public official having to have armed guards is ever really good, public or private. Trump didn't look very good on his military action to get a photo op, for example. Anyway, I don't really get the Miracle Mile part, since I am not clear if there was a way to post armed guards up and down the Miracle Mile to prevent trouble, or do it the future. Situation didn't seem the same to me. I guess my reply to that would be until recently we never really heard about defunding police. So usually gets thrown out the window. You cant have it both ways.. We have to defund the police, let the rioters riot and loot.. Wait a second can you send some armed police to protect my family and home. That just does not work |
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Aug 26, 2020 1:57:44 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 26, 2020 1:57:44 GMT -6
In another Ironic twist..We now have militia guarding buildings in Kenosha.. Well they just took matters into their own hands and as of right now three people who were rioting have been shot. It was only a matter of time before some thing like this happened. Its ironic because if you watch the videos the same people who were beating and destroying cars were screaming call the police after shots were fired..
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Aug 26, 2020 6:23:13 GMT -6
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 26, 2020 6:23:13 GMT -6
Yes sir brightbart ! What an unbiased source of the truth. Lurkinmajerkin! Is that all you've got? Go back to your coloring book. |
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Aug 26, 2020 6:27:05 GMT -6
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 26, 2020 6:27:05 GMT -6
"I am sure the mayor doesn't look at a police force protecting a public official as "private" security." - It is when she tells police to stand down when rioters tear shit up.
"But if it is hypocritical for the mayor to protect her residence where she is vulnerable to threats and knows she will be targeted then the issue has nothing to do with guns. Which was the point of my earlier post." - When she orders people with guns to protect her, but doesn't want citizens to be armed so they can protect themselves, then it has everything to do with guns.
"And if it is an abuse to use police to protect a public official, what is it to use police and troops and tear gas to clear a path to a photo op." - We're talking about the mayor of Chicago. If you want to discuss the validity of this myth, start your own thread.
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Aug 26, 2020 6:45:34 GMT -6
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 26, 2020 6:45:34 GMT -6
In another Ironic twist..We now have militia guarding buildings in Kenosha.. Well they just took matters into their own hands and as of right now three people who were rioting have been shot. It was only a matter of time before some thing like this happened. Its ironic because if you watch the videos the same people who were beating and destroying cars were screaming call the police after shots were fired.. The shooting looks justified to me, based on the one video I've seen. A guy was being chased, and was knocked to the ground from behind. Rioters moved in on him, and he fired. Pretty clear it was self-defense. Of course, prosecutors may not see it that way. |
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Aug 26, 2020 9:16:10 GMT -6
Post by villagepub on Aug 26, 2020 9:16:10 GMT -6
Gun control has no chance in Chicago. Too easy to take the train to East Chicago. You cannot legally buy a gun in the State of Indiana, then bring it back to your legal residence of Illinois. You must buy the weapon in Indiana, then it has to be shipped to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder in the State of Illinois where you register it and pick it up, unless you carry an FFL yourself. Either way, the weapon is registered with the ATF, and your information is available to the Chicago PD to review whether it complies with local law. You cannot purchase across state lines what you cannot possess where you live. If your state bans it, you can’t buy it. This is something Lori Lightfoot and every other liberal politician in Illinois knows, but doesn't mention because it is easier to make Indiana their scapegoat. If you are talking about an illegal purchase of a gun in Indiana, why bother driving? You can illegally purchase weapons in Chicago. |
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Aug 26, 2020 9:47:27 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Aug 26, 2020 9:47:27 GMT -6
Gun control has no chance in Chicago. Too easy to take the train to East Chicago. You cannot legally buy a gun in the State of Indiana, then bring it back to your legal residence of Illinois..... If you are talking about an illegal purchase of a gun in Indiana, why bother driving? You can illegally purchase weapons in Chicago. Why do you think that is so easy. Isn't it relevant that legal purchases in Indiana create an oversupply in Indiana?
It is called arbitrage. The illegally purchased guns in Chicago come from somewhere.
And it is all about externality. Those are costs to producers not born by the seller or the buyer but by the bystander.
In this case as you suggest it means illegal transport of guns. Don't kid yourself, Indiana has little interest in regulating guns that leave the state, or in preventing it. And federal law can't intervene easily if at all.
Very much like air pollution. Why should Indiana care about toxic smoke it produces that can be released by tall smoke stakes and be blown across the border? We will never choose to limit our coal production of high sulfur coal or it's use in Indiana where we profit so much by it and the harm done is done to downwind states and to Canada...Same with too many guns sold here. Why care if they end up in Chicago?
Too many guns in circulation mean no state can control the trade if neighboring states do not. This is a case for more uniform regulation, probably at a national level.
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Aug 26, 2020 10:05:46 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Aug 26, 2020 10:05:46 GMT -6
This is totally unrelated to race, but related both to guns and enforcing the law.
Was it right in the earlier case to act against protest to allow the lawmakers to do their job? How about this time? Right that fighting it out with lawbreakers a bad idea?
Of course there are other differences, but it is a parallel on some counts.
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Aug 26, 2020 10:18:08 GMT -6
Post by villagepub on Aug 26, 2020 10:18:08 GMT -6
You cannot legally buy a gun in the State of Indiana, then bring it back to your legal residence of Illinois..... If you are talking about an illegal purchase of a gun in Indiana, why bother driving? You can illegally purchase weapons in Chicago. Why do you think that is so easy. Isn't it relevant that legal purchases in Indiana create an oversupply in Indiana?
It is called arbitrage. The illegally purchased guns in Chicago come from somewhere.
And it is all about externality. Those are costs to producers not born by the seller or the buyer but by the bystander.
In this case as you suggest it means illegal transport of guns. Don't kid yourself, Indiana has little interest in regulating guns that leave the state, or in preventing it. And federal law can't intervene easily if at all.
Very much like air pollution. Why should Indiana care about toxic smoke it produces that can be released by tall smoke stakes and be blown across the border? We will never choose to limit our coal production of high sulfur coal or it's use in Indiana where we profit so much by it and the harm done is done to downwind states and to Canada...Same with too many guns sold here. Why care if they end up in Chicago?
Too many guns in circulation mean no state can control the trade if neighboring states do not. This is a case for more uniform regulation, probably at a national level.
Soooo, why isn't the ATF revoking FFL licenses of the sellers in Indiana. The guns are traceable, not only by serial #, but also by rifling marks (in most cases). Why isn't the ATF cracking down in Indiana if it is such a rampant issue to Chicago? |
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Aug 26, 2020 11:02:26 GMT -6
Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 26, 2020 11:02:26 GMT -6
I dont know about east Chicago but its around here Guns our nearly out of stock and have been for months. People who have never owned guns are getting there licenses and buying
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Aug 26, 2020 11:11:09 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Aug 26, 2020 11:11:09 GMT -6
Why do you think that is so easy. Isn't it relevant that legal purchases in Indiana create an oversupply in Indiana?
It is called arbitrage. The illegally purchased guns in Chicago come from somewhere.
And it is all about externality. Those are costs to producers not born by the seller or the buyer but by the bystander.
Soooo, why isn't the ATF revoking FFL licenses of the sellers in Indiana. The guns are traceable, not only by serial #, but also by rifling marks (in most cases). Why isn't the ATF cracking down in Indiana if it is such a rampant issue to Chicago?
The licensed dealer can make legal sales to Indiana citizens. Indiana’s laws allow that owner to sell to other people without background checks or paperwork recording the sale. If I sell to you and you go to Chicago with that weapon and a truck load of others it may be illegal but tracing doesn't help and cracking down on Indiana sellers doesn't help. Authorities have a very hard time enforcing any transport laws. The only law being broken might be the sale in Chicago. And you can bet that isn't a licensed dealer.
It is not just Indiana's fault. I didn't really mean to say that, but it is a problem. Local gun laws in Chicago or anywhere else will fail at some point if there is a big supply of high priced product that is under demand in another state without strict limitations. It's the lowest common denominator of regulation followed to produce an inventory for illegal sales. Chicago authorities claim 60 percent of illegal guns recovered in the city from 2009 to 2013 were first sold in states with more lax gun laws. Legal sales there. The largest portion came from Indiana, which accounted for 19 percent of the illegal guns in Chicago.
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Aug 26, 2020 11:20:36 GMT -6
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 26, 2020 11:20:36 GMT -6
It's hilarious listening to people who have never bought a gun try to tell people how easy it is. Any licensed seller is required to call in the background check, or can do it by computer if they're set up for that. You can't buy across state lines without having it transferred to a dealer within your state.
If you're talking about private sales, I'm sure there are some unscrupulous dudes at gun shows that'll sell to anyone. But I've been to a LOT of gun shows, and I've never seen ONE private sale where the seller didn't ask to see an Indiana driver's license, at a minimum. Many of them will ask to see a carry permit if it's a handgun.
I've seen some where the seller just gets a weird vibe, and says no sale.
Straw purchases are difficult to police. If I buy a gun at a dealer, then turn around and sell it at a profit, I'm technically already breaking the law, but how is anyone going to find out if I sell for cash? If I'm already shady enough to do that, you think I'm going to make sure the buyer is a "proper person"??
Universal background checks? As long as there's no charge, I'd be ok with it. But any kind of fee/tax is a dealbreaker for me. And how are you going to make the street seller run the check? Criminals aren't going to obey the law anyway, so you're not gaining anything.
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