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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2021 0:21:05 GMT -6
Everyone in my echo chamber considers VOX a down-the-middle, reputable source, so obviously they are. Reputable. Especially since how we got to talking about them was comparison to UNZ. I'm not making any strong claim here except to favorably compare them in that context. Notice you don't dispute that, have nothing to say on the point. |
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Post by halftime on Feb 2, 2021 5:25:20 GMT -6
Everyone in my echo chamber considers VOX a down-the-middle, reputable source, so obviously they are. Reputable. Especially since how we got to talking about them was comparison to UNZ. I'm not making any strong claim here except to favorably compare them in that context. Notice you don't dispute that, have nothing to say on the point. No YOU started talking about VOX in direct comparison to Unz. I mentioned Vox as one example of your own questionable use of sources and your obvious hypocrisy. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2021 7:34:16 GMT -6
I'm not making any strong claim here except to favorably compare them in that context. No YOU started talking about VOX in direct comparison to Unz. I mentioned Vox as one example of your own questionable use of sources and your obvious hypocrisy. Look one page back. I criticized UNZ. I only mentioned VOX after you implied it was questionable, no better than UNZ. I rarely have cited VOX in any discussion, but for sake of accuracy batted down that misrepresentation. I believe your post now concedes UNZ is questionable. Nothing you have said indicates VOX is anywhere in the same ball park. Liberal, yes. Also reputable. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 2, 2021 8:39:10 GMT -6
I do not consider VOX reputable. They are an ultra-liberal mouthpiece.
I've never heard of UNZ, isn't that a potato chip?
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2021 10:14:37 GMT -6
I do not consider VOX reputable. They are an ultra-liberal mouthpiece. I've never heard of UNZ, isn't that a potato chip? Could be. Click on the link to check it out. But if it is a potato chip, it is a salty one that hosts a weblog containing a lot of anti-semitic stories. It is I believe originally an ultra conservative site sponsored by Ron Unz, but has strayed into outright fringe territory, past "ultra."
Not liking VOX is understandable, and it is not a site I regularly read. From a conservatives point of view it is definitely liberal, but I am not sure it is "ultra" liberal exactly. I must have some time found a story and cited it here. halftime is big fan of mine and remembers it clearly.
In contrast to UNZ it is a real journalistic news effort, not just a political opinion outlet.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 2, 2021 15:50:02 GMT -6
00 knows exactly which outlets are "real journalistic news outlets" as opposed to just opinion. That's how he is able to distinguish, for example, that the riot in the Capitol that caused maybe 6-figures in damage is worthy of a totally hysterical response, whereas the George Floyd arson, rioting, vandalism, violence and looting that caused between 1 and 2 billion in damage is just one of those things that happen from time to time and we don't need to get all worked up about the govt officials that countenanced all that. Besides, who can really remember that far back anyway?
That's also how he knows that, when you think about it, it's really OK to have someone who spouts hate-filled racist pseudo-science garbage as your top govt civil rights official, because the real journalistic news outlets didn't make a big deal out of it....so you know it must be OK.
You see, if you know which are the real journalistic news outlets, things get very clear for you real quick. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 3, 2021 7:21:22 GMT -6
In contrast to UNZ it is a real journalistic news effort, not just a political opinion outlet.
Comparing a rotten apple to a slightly more rotten apple is not a good way to determine what constitutes a good apple. Compared to you, I'm Mr. Universe. Yet, I don't feel good about that. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2021 8:33:01 GMT -6
00 knows exactly which outlets are "real journalistic news outlets" as opposed to just opinion. That's how he is able to distinguish, for example, that the riot in the Capitol that caused maybe 6-figures in damage is worthy of a totally hysterical response, whereas the George Floyd arson, rioting, vandalism, violence and looting that caused between 1 and 2 billion in damage.... Nobody ignored the summer rioting. The threat to life and government in DC is hard to measure in dollars. Property damage certainly not the right measure to use. Not sure how you factor in continuing costs to protect public officials due to the madness, either. But however you got $2 billion as an estimate, the fact a sitting President abandoned his duties for 11 weeks, and used his office to create the unprecedented DC threat to the country is a greater threat than property damage. History will not rank the rioting as anywhere near as serious. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 14, 2021 10:42:36 GMT -6
Your metric for measuring riots is "how much does my media echo chamber freak out about it".
Certainly the DC riots rank above the summer riots by that metric, although the summer riots were about two or three orders of magnitude worse by any metric actually measuring the impact on people's lives.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 14, 2021 11:31:00 GMT -6
Your metric for measuring riots is "how much does my media echo chamber freak out about it". Certainly the DC riots rank above the summer riots by that metric, although the summer riots were about two or three orders of magnitude worse by any metric actually measuring the impact on people's lives. It's not media. And not property damage that is the measure. A real threat to the process of government is measured by potential threat to lives and threat to democracy. Since we got lucky no Congress members killed or hurt and since the election count proceeded, perhaps you undervalue that. The attempt to subvert our government was more serious. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 14, 2021 12:22:37 GMT -6
You have been convinced there was a "threat to the government", but that is simply ludicrous. You should really be embarrassed to repeat that kind of nonsense.
How, exactly, was a handful of ridiculously dressed clowns going to take down the government? Can you describe how the takeover of the US was going to proceed? With what force? Honestly the whole idea is so childishly stupid, I feel silly even bothering to confront it.
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Post by sweep on Feb 14, 2021 12:47:52 GMT -6
Your metric for measuring riots is "how much does my media echo chamber freak out about it". Certainly the DC riots rank above the summer riots by that metric, although the summer riots were about two or three orders of magnitude worse by any metric actually measuring the impact on people's lives. A real threat to the process of government is measured by potential threat to lives and threat to democracy. A real threat, where was the real threat ? You need to grow-up and knock off the hyperbole. You sound more and more like Willo and Dray all the time. |
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Post by sweep on Feb 14, 2021 12:49:19 GMT -6
You have been convinced there was a "threat to the government", but that is simply ludicrous. You should really be embarrassed to repeat that kind of nonsense. How, exactly, was a handful of ridiculously dressed clowns going to take down the government? Can you describe how the takeover of the US was going to proceed? With what force? Honestly the whole idea is so childishly stupid, I feel silly even bothering to confront it. I should have read your reply before posting my own. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 14, 2021 13:01:54 GMT -6
You have been convinced there was a "threat to the government", but that is simply ludicrous. You should really be embarrassed to repeat that kind of nonsense. You really think this is how we should govern ourselves?
What's absurd is the situation that made this possible.
Let's assume the sitting Executive Branch or Courts would not have been changed. Congress would continue, perhaps radically changed in make up. But is that really acceptable? The election would have been up in the air.
To use violence to kill "enemies of the state" and in the process try to change the election result and the balance of power in Congress seems like a real possibility. Allowing threats of violence to alter the process of government is not trivial. Yet, that at a minimum is what we saw here.
What would you have projected as the "costs" had the rabble managed to capture or kill Pence and members of Congress? What would that precedent do for our system of government?
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 14, 2021 14:54:29 GMT -6
"Let's assume the sitting Executive Branch or Courts would not have been changed. Congress would continue, perhaps radically changed in make up. But is that really acceptable? The election would have been up in the air."
Uh...what? The guy in the viking hat was going to do all this I suppose? He was going to "change the election result." How? Get a grip on yourself. The main take-away of the whole DC affair was that the leadership of the Capitol Police needs to get its head out of its ass so that no similar group of dipshits, from any partisan direction, can cause as much damage and upset so easily as happened during this riot.
If you're lying awake in a sweat at night because you've let yourself be convinced that viking hat guy almost took over the US government, let me reassure you that you can unwad your little panties and relax a little.
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