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Post by chirpchirpcards on Mar 31, 2021 7:33:26 GMT -6
This year's Final Four seems to be pretty historic. Two West Coast teams and two Texas teams. No East Coast or Midwest teams are involved. The Big Ten, ACC, and SEC were all eliminated.
The last time The Big Ten, ACC, or SEC didn't have a participant in the Final Four was 2003 when Kansas, Syracuse, Texas and Marquette advanced.
This is the first Final Four to not include a team from the Midwest or East Coast.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 31, 2021 11:16:21 GMT -6
The Big Ten totally shit the bed.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 12:20:43 GMT -6
I never quite believed in Illinois, despite having a very good star player. Did not expect Michigan to reach the Final four after losing their leader to injury. And certainly did not expect them to have so much trouble with UCLA.
Where the B10 badly under performed was in the early games in the tourney. Expected 3 or 4 in the sweet 16.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 31, 2021 12:26:28 GMT -6
Is Gonzaga a mid-major?
I would say that just being really good does to exclude you from being a mid-major. Is there some other factor that excludes them? If they aren't, what about the other teams in the West Coast Conference? |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 15:22:02 GMT -6
Is Gonzaga a mid-major?
I would say that just being really good does to exclude you from being a mid-major. Is there some other factor that excludes them? If they aren't, what about the other teams in the West Coast Conference? I wonder if the classification makes much sense myself. "Mid Major" is not exactly a scientific classification, but conference membership seems to be the defining element. Except it is possibly not so clear in basketball. That's why I said "sort of" above.
There are schools including Butler and most Big East schools more or less the same size that maybe should be classified as majors because they are in a "major conference" for BB, and trounce other non P5 conferences, although this year obviously less good on the court than Gonzaga which is in a mid major conference.
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Post by sweep on Mar 31, 2021 16:00:53 GMT -6
Is Gonzaga a mid-major?
I would say that just being really good does to exclude you from being a mid-major. Is there some other factor that excludes them? If they aren't, what about the other teams in the West Coast Conference?
There are schools including Butler and most Big East schools more or less the same size that maybe should be classified as majors because they are in a "major conference" for BB, and trounce other non P5 conferences, although this year obviously less good on the court than Gonzaga which is in a mid major conference.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............................It's the P6 in basketball, not the P5. The Big East is clearly a power conference by any measure. Although to be honest I can't really make heads or tails what you are trying to say. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 16:37:59 GMT -6
I think you get it now. Isn't that the point when we talk about mid majors. It doesn't make sense in this case.
How is Gonzaga different in any important substantive way from private schools in the Big East? Except they can't join the Big East very practically.
Does the label mid major mean much here?
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Post by universityjim on Mar 31, 2021 17:38:00 GMT -6
So just for curiosity sake since size of enrollment keeps being used as a criteria for being a mid or high major, which of these enrollments go to which catagory?
I'll reveal the schools after there are some guesses.
a. 16,606
b. 12,607
c. 43,503
d. 7,563
e. 28,122
f. 79,152
g. 24,951
h. 21,884
i. 34,316
j. 5,495
k. 57,942
l. 44,537
m. 29,579
o. 22,437
p. 19,204
q. 11,030
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 17:59:12 GMT -6
My guess is in over 100+ FBS schools and especially in 300+ D1 schools we'll find resources for athletics don't track all that clearly with current enrollment.
Maybe better to look at enrollment over a 100 years?
Endowment and tuition not reliable eoither. (Ivy League, wealthy D3 schools, E.G.)
But resources for athletics do get sorted out in conference affiliation a bit better.
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Post by universityjim on Mar 31, 2021 19:24:58 GMT -6
a. 16,606 - Duke b. 12,607 - Notre Dame c. 43,503 - Indiana (Bloomington) d. 7,563 - Gonzaga e. 28,122 - Kent State f. 79,152 - Liberty g. 24,951 - Clemson h. 21,884 - Ball State i. 34,316 - Georgia State j. 5,495 - Butler k. 57,942 - Florida International l. 44,537 - UCLA m. 29,579 - IUPUI n. 22,437 - DePaul o. 19,204 - Georgetown p. 11,030 - Villanova www.collegetuitioncompare.com/ |
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Post by villagepub on Mar 31, 2021 19:27:42 GMT -6
I never quite believed in Illinois, despite having a very good star player. Did not expect Michigan to reach the Final four after losing their leader to injury. And certainly did not expect them to have so much trouble with UCLA. Where the B10 badly under performed was in the early games in the tourney. Expected 3 or 4 in the sweet 16. This thread is for "Fun Final Four Facts". Your post is opinion, and I find it not fun, but that's my opinion. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 19:45:50 GMT -6
I never quite believed in Illinois, despite having a very good star player. Did not expect Michigan to reach the Final four after losing their leader to injury. And certainly did not expect them to have so much trouble with UCLA. Where the B10 badly under performed was in the early games in the tourney. Expected 3 or 4 in the sweet 16. This thread is for "Fun Final Four Facts". Your post is opinion, and I find it not fun, but that's my opinion. Your post is a fun Final Four fact we should use as a standard for off topic posts on the thread. |
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Post by sweep on Apr 1, 2021 7:00:26 GMT -6
How is Gonzaga different in any important substantive way from private schools in the Big East? They are in a mid major conference and have an easier schedule. |
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Post by sweep on Apr 1, 2021 7:03:06 GMT -6
Liberty has an enrollment of 79,000 ..............I would have missed that by a mile.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 1, 2021 7:36:32 GMT -6
Liberty has an enrollment of 79,000 ..............I would have missed that by a mile. Made me wonder if they are taking liberties with their reporting requirements. I guess they are free to do so. |
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