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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 9, 2021 19:48:30 GMT -6
Marshall, Army, Liberty, CCC, Buffalo, UMass, and Rice I think all have the profile in one way or another, either good tradition, good current program, or good TV market.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 9, 2021 20:10:48 GMT -6
You're all talking about the shit programs now....every single one of them is a huge money loser that has to be supported by fees on their students. The real programs have sorted themselves out and now the cockroaches are scrambling for crumbs. It makes no real difference what farcical conference these scam programs end up in.
It's hilarious to see the likes of NIU touted as having a "good" market. How is a market considered as "good" when it provides revenue covering MAYBE 25% of what the program costs to run.... in a good year. Also hilarious to see it suggested that NIU was EVER a worthwhile program. The year they went to the Orange Bowl simply showed just how futile and idiotic a venture MAC football really is. They lost even more money than usual that year, and were openly derided and despised in Miami by bowl officials who were completely disgusted with having to accept such a low rent program. And, by the way, how much "momentum" did they end up deriving from that expensive experience? Such is the "light" at the end of the MAC tunnel. You idiots will never understand this because you don't want to.
You guys are really stupid sometimes.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2021 20:43:30 GMT -6
I think we(mac) lose Buffallo Yeah Buffalo and NIU might both bolt................. Whatever their decision does it really help them? AAC is not getting teams in this group of additions who improve their strength or TV appeal compared to the teams lost. How are they really better off? |
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Post by sweep on Sept 10, 2021 7:59:52 GMT -6
Yeah Buffalo and NIU might both bolt................. Whatever their decision does it really help them? AAC is not getting teams in this group of additions who improve their strength or TV appeal compared to the teams lost. How are they really better off? I don't think it makes much sense, but I also don't think it makes much sense for current AAC teams to bolt to a greatly weakened Big 12. What I do know is college administrators are stupid and can easily be talked into doing dumb things, especially if they think they can win the messaging in the short term. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Sept 10, 2021 9:53:00 GMT -6
You guys are really stupid sometimes.  |
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 10, 2021 11:30:56 GMT -6
Liam and me, we're gonna f--- you up.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2021 11:46:43 GMT -6
Whatever their decision does it really help them? AAC is not getting teams in this group of additions who improve their strength or TV appeal compared to the teams lost. How are they really better off? I don't think it makes much sense, but I also don't think it makes much sense for current AAC teams to bolt to a greatly weakened Big 12. What I do know is college administrators are stupid and can easily be talked into doing dumb things, especially if they think they can win the messaging in the short term. The B12 has something to offer. They are P5 and the new conference will continue to be. Some advantages there for these newcomers just in that. They are immediately at the table in the P5.
The remaining B12 schools in the absence of expansion would have a major problem, they are giving the newcomers a pretty good deal when they offer to the newcomers to move up in conference strength, in revenue, immediately, while maintaining ties with the other strong AAC programs who have collaborated to push it to the top of the G5 heap. They ditch the remaining schools who were not realistically going to ever get to the top of the heap. It's a logical step for them, and I don't think those administrators made a stupid decision.
Was there some better deal? What was that deal? Staying AAC was not making any of them any stronger. Or getting them the same chance for revenue.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2021 12:01:31 GMT -6
You're all talking about the shit programs now....every single one of them is a huge money loser that has to be supported by fees on their students. The real programs have sorted themselves out and now the cockroaches are scrambling for crumbs. It makes no real difference what farcical conference these scam programs end up in. The remaining AAC programs and the others they want to join in a new AAC are not ready to accept that they are just not in the same league with those P5 schools. As far as which conference they fit better in, perhaps UB has a better fit with AAC? But NIU looks a lot like every other MAC school and I am with you that saying they really bring anything that would make them attractive to the AAC.
Every one of those schools is in denial what big time FB is about. It looks at a weak member of a P5 conference and says they are just as strong as that school and might beat them on the field. True in some cases, but those weak sisters in P5 generally are weak on the field but strong financially, or have a long history in their conference, and after all have an existing contract. The money is what counts.
With rare exceptions the wannabes are not really similar to the other P5 conference schools they want to join, or offer a natural fit in a conference set up. NIU has had a long pipe dream that they are somehow like B12 or B10 schools. All they managed to prove at any point is that they might beat IU or KU in football, and now that is not true...
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Post by villagepub on Sept 10, 2021 12:03:05 GMT -6
What does the AAC offer to a MAC school that compels them to make the jump?
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Post by sweep on Sept 10, 2021 12:07:26 GMT -6
I don't think it makes much sense, but I also don't think it makes much sense for current AAC teams to bolt to a greatly weakened Big 12. What I do know is college administrators are stupid and can easily be talked into doing dumb things, especially if they think they can win the messaging in the short term. The B12 has something to offer. They are P5 and the new conference will continue to be. Some advantages there for these newcomers just in that. They are immediately at the table in the P5.
The remaining B12 schools in the absence of expansion would have a major problem, they are giving the newcomers a pretty good deal when they offer to the newcomers to move up in conference strength, in revenue, immediately, while maintaining ties with the other strong AAC programs who have collaborated to push it to the top of the G5 heap. They ditch the remaining schools who were not realistically going to ever get to the top of the heap. It's a logical step for them, and I don't think those administrators made a stupid decision.
Was there some better deal? What was that deal? Staying AAC was not making any of them any stronger. Or getting them the same chance for revenue.
"The B12 has something to offer. They are P5 and the new conference will continue to be.".................Are they ? Is there still a P5? I don't think there is. The P5 was never anything tangible to begin with, it's merely a media term. "Move up in revenue"............The revenue gains are largely based on THE CURRENT Big12 television contract, which is likely not an accurate future model. The biggest problem is the new Big12 is in no way a stable conference. Ok State, K State, Kansas, and Iowa State are all looking for a better home. Congrats on being suckered into believing this is a great deal for the AAC schools. This is what happens when you parrot your analysis from the dopes at ESPN. Remember these are the same morons who said Big East basketball would die a horrible quick death. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2021 12:24:44 GMT -6
It doesn't have to be great deal in comparison to staying where they are. What's the upside there? Tell me where a better deal is?
You are wrong that they don't increase revenue. Bringing any of the B12 schools to town is better than most AAC conference foes. Even a weaker TV contract better than the AAC deal.
If the B12 is not entirely stable neither is any conference. Not a great argument to sit still. Especially in the AAC. If the B12 fails they are still able to move after all.
But at least in the short run, the B12 by bringing in these relatively strong teams greatly increased their stability and I am not at all clear where OSU, KU, KSU, and ISU are going to go. It doesn't really look like the B10 or Pac10 are going to expand soon. They have a better deal working together on their new deal with each other.
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Post by sweep on Sept 10, 2021 12:34:21 GMT -6
They have a better deal working together on their new deal with each other. No they don't, you think Kansas and OK State are better off in the BIG12 than the ACC or Big10. Are you smoking dope ? You think people in Houston are going to flock to see Iowa State or Kansas ? The best of what's left in the Big12 want out, they know this is no longer a Power Conference. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 10, 2021 12:37:18 GMT -6
Notre Dame is the linchpin holding a lot of dominoes back. If they joined the ACC full time, WVU would get in too. The Big Ten could easily poach Kansas and Iowa State. PAC12 takes Boise and UNLV from MWC (Vegas metro market is over 2 million now), OK State and Baylor to get to 16. Then who knows? The remaining B12 could merge with the MWC for a pretty solid conference.
The MAC should invite Liberty and Army.
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Post by sweep on Sept 10, 2021 12:48:30 GMT -6
The MAC should invite Liberty and Army. We all know guys like Mearns will never invite Liberty to join the MAC. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2021 12:55:02 GMT -6
Notre Dame is the linchpin holding a lot of dominoes back....The MAC should invite Liberty and Army. Why would they join the MAC? Was with you until you said that. |
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