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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 7:58:05 GMT -6
So why would the Big 10 want them? For the 66K people living in Ames? Might as well ask BSU to join. Iowa State is a better move than Rutgers. The New York TV market watches Notre Dame and Syracuse. New Jersey watches Rutgers. You don't necessarily get the New York TV market with Rutgers. Iowa and Iowa State are pretty much Chicago kids and some choice players from other parts of the Midwest and South. Better match-up. I doubt that many Chicago sets are tuned in to Iowa State FB for that reason. It's not local interest in players that drives TV viewing it is alumni base which is a big asset for the B10 TV. Sure there are ISU alumni in Chicago, but their value to the B10 would be bringing in quality games in the package. They don't fit as well as it looks on some other counts.
The B10 did not add Rutgers just to pick up Rutgers local fans and NJ residents. It is about alumni base and adding East coast presence along with Maryland and PSU and to get more press coverage in the NY market.
When B10 schools visits Rutgers there are lots of alumni in the NYC area. Rutgers alumni base a significant addition in terms of geography. That said, I am not that excited about Rutgers. PSU, maybe Md just seem to fit better in the B10 for quality of opponent and academic standing!
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 27, 2021 8:14:23 GMT -6
Interesting analysis here: So many dominoes
If the Big 10 could talk Notre Dame into joining, and grab Kansas, things could get very interesting for the ACC. However it goes, it's gonna be wild. Meanwhile, the MAC is like the old farmer sitting on his front porch, sipping his iced tea, watching a tornado go by and saying, "Yep. A mite breezy today." |
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Post by villagepub on Jul 27, 2021 8:15:30 GMT -6
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Post by sweep on Jul 27, 2021 8:18:55 GMT -6
The latest I have heard is:
Everyone left in the Big 12 is looking for a place to move.
The Big 10 and the Pac 12 are discussing the possibility of a merger where geographical pods would be used to limit travel. You would likely travel from coast to coast a couple times a year for revenue producing match-ups but would play a normalized schedule much closer to home. This would be interesting to say the least.
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Post by villagepub on Jul 27, 2021 8:22:21 GMT -6
The latest I have heard is: Everyone left in the Big 12 is looking for a place to move. The Big 10 and the Pac 12 are discussing the possibility of a merger where geographical pods would be used to limit travel. You would likely travel from coast to coast a couple times a year for revenue producing match-ups but would play a normalized schedule much closer to home. This would be interesting to say the least. Still think it's too many teams and doesn't leave enough OOC schedule to create a true RPI score, used for seeding playoffs. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 27, 2021 8:25:31 GMT -6
The latest I have heard is: Everyone left in the Big 12 is looking for a place to move. The Big 10 and the Pac 12 are discussing the possibility of a merger where geographical pods would be used to limit travel. You would likely travel from coast to coast a couple times a year for revenue producing match-ups but would play a normalized schedule much closer to home. This would be interesting to say the least. Nebraska would be screwed whichever pod they were in. I just don't see the egos in those 2 conferences letting that merger happen. Very different in styles and even culture. |
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Post by sweep on Jul 27, 2021 8:33:56 GMT -6
Maybe we need to look at this from a different perspective than the current Conference format. Let's look at this more as a revenue producing contractual affiliation between Universities. Seems to me the Conferences as we know them today are going away. Like it or not the current framework is being torn down and replaced.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 10:18:45 GMT -6
The latest I have heard is: Everyone left in the Big 12 is looking for a place to move. The Big 10 and the Pac 12 are discussing the possibility of a merger where geographical pods would be used to limit travel. You would likely travel from coast to coast a couple times a year for revenue producing match-ups but would play a normalized schedule much closer to home. This would be interesting to say the least. Nebraska would be screwed whichever pod they were in. I just don't see the egos in those 2 conferences letting that merger happen. Very different in styles and even culture. Both have some things in common about academics and a two division set up with some high power enough crossover play for TV would be pretty tempting package. Could bracket all the times slots coast to coast with good games. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 27, 2021 10:23:29 GMT -6
Maybe we need to look at this from a different perspective than the current Conference format. Let's look at this more as a revenue producing contractual affiliation between Universities. Seems to me the Conferences as we know them today are going away. Like it or not the current framework is being torn down and replaced. For FB and maybe BB yes. although even there the rivalries and the geographic interest in fans traveling to games and so on is an issue.
Something like a conference is necessary for scheduling in all the other sports, and for about 70% of your schedule.
Look at pro sports. I'd much rather watch the Bears than a team in LA. MUCH more likely to watch an NBA game early rather than late.
And in college FB, I have very little interest in watching Alabama play Tennessee, might indeed watch Alabama versus Ohio State, but thing the playoff game they are going to have is much more interesting than a regular season game.
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Post by dmbdan41 on Jul 28, 2021 15:58:39 GMT -6
The Big 12 would like ESPN to no longer pursue or report the news
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 28, 2021 16:04:34 GMT -6
I would guess it's an interference with contract theory. But it seems a doubtful one if the parties are talking about doing nothing during the term of the contract except exploring what happens when the current contract expires.
There is a remote chance it's an antitrust theory, but that seems to me premature, not enough concentration of power. Yet...
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Post by villagepub on Jul 28, 2021 16:22:27 GMT -6
Time for the English Football relegation system to be applied to all college sports. We'll see how the cream rises, and the crap sinks. No more conferences. In each sport, there are 5 regions, each with 4 divisions (tiers). Total of 320 schools.
| West | The Gulf | Midwest | Atlantic | Northeast | | Division I | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | | Division II | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | | Division III | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | | Division IV | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 |
The bottom 3 finishers in the upper divisions drop one level. The top 3 finishers in the lower
divisions move up for the next year.
I get it. The current money schools would never take the chance of dropping divisions, but, if the
funds can be trickled down, everyone financially wins.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 28, 2021 17:54:20 GMT -6
Time for the English Football relegation system to be applied to all college sports. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 28, 2021 20:17:19 GMT -6
So now ESPN has conspired to help steal teams.. This is wild
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Post by villagepub on Jul 28, 2021 20:52:08 GMT -6
Time for the English Football relegation system to be applied to all college sports. We'll see how the cream rises, and the crap sinks. No more conferences. In each sport, there are 5 regions, each with 4 divisions (tiers). Total of 320 schools.
| West | The Gulf | Midwest | Atlantic | Northeast | | Division I | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | | Division II | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | | Division III | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | | Division IV | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 |
The bottom 3 finishers in the upper divisions drop one level. The top 3 finishers in the lower
divisions move up for the next year.
I get it. The current money schools would never take the chance of dropping divisions, but, if the
funds can be trickled down, everyone financially wins.
This might work if there was only one sport. It's great from a pure competition basis. But... Conferences are about scheduling multiple sports. Where FB has high revenue that still involves scheduling issues and media contract issues that make conferences important. You saw the point about "no more conferences." Anyway... Many schools play in multiple sports conferences, including Ball State. |
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