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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2022 9:10:55 GMT -6
And the underhand throws out of the end zone... Wentz needs to knock off that shit. Half of his issues I think they can coach out of him with repetition and film study. But the other half, damn, he just panics or tries to make a hero play and it’s who he is. A speedy receiver and more separation won't help with that, will it! |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 27, 2022 9:19:34 GMT -6
Half of his issues I think they can coach out of him with repetition and film study. But the other half, damn, he just panics or tries to make a hero play and it’s who he is. A speedy receiver and more separation won't help with that, will it! That's the problem. Usain Bolt could be WR for the Colts and beat his man by 15 yards, but Wentz, A: Can't see him because he can't read the field, and B: by the time he did see him Wentz would feel pressure and make a really bad throw, C: decide to throw it to a wr who's tripled covered, or D: spot Bolt right away and recognize he's open, and then miss him by 10 yards. Those are issues that will always be issues with Wentz and they are deal breakers. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2022 9:30:20 GMT -6
A speedy receiver and more separation won't help with that, will it! That's the problem. Usain Bolt could be WR for the Colts and beat his man by 15 yards, but Wentz, A: Can't see him because he can't read the field, and B: by the time he did see him Wentz would feel pressure and make a really bad throw, C: decide to throw it to a wr who's tripled covered, or D: spot Bolt right away and recognize he's open, and then miss him by 10 yards. Those are issues that will always be issues with Wentz and they are deal breakers. Biggest issue is not making good throws as he goes through his progressions in rhythm, it's when he holds the ball too long or is rushed and is on the run. Some of those cases he extends the play too long waiting for a window, and then makes ridiculous throws. If he just runs the ball or throws it away, most of the time it's OK, it's the hero thing that gets him every time. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 27, 2022 9:37:15 GMT -6
That's the problem. Usain Bolt could be WR for the Colts and beat his man by 15 yards, but Wentz, A: Can't see him because he can't read the field, and B: by the time he did see him Wentz would feel pressure and make a really bad throw, C: decide to throw it to a wr who's tripled covered, or D: spot Bolt right away and recognize he's open, and then miss him by 10 yards. Those are issues that will always be issues with Wentz and they are deal breakers. Biggest issue is not making good throws as he goes through his progressions in rhythm, it's when he holds the ball too long or is rushed and is on the run. Some of those cases he extends the play too long waiting for a window, and then makes ridiculous throws. If he just runs the ball or throws it away, most of the time it's OK, it's the hero thing that gets him every time. He's not instinctual in "throwing guys open." Instead he has to see a window and then throw, which often makes the throw too late. Or, he makes up his mind where he's gonna go with the ball and doesn't go through progressions and ignores wide open guys underneath or in the flat. His first instinct is always, homerun. Like Ballard said, Wentz has to learn to just take/make the layups. |
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Post by villagepub on Jan 27, 2022 11:17:53 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Jan 27, 2022 11:35:11 GMT -6
Colts d was good but had no pass rush, which = couldn’t get off the field and couldn’t close out close games.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 27, 2022 14:26:22 GMT -6
And the underhand throws out of the end zone... Wentz needs to knock off that shit. Half of his issues I think they can coach out of him with repetition and film study. But the other half, damn, he just panics or tries to make a hero play and it’s who he is. It doesn't usually work too well unless your name is Patrick Mahomes. That guy amazes me. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 27, 2022 15:21:39 GMT -6
Half of his issues I think they can coach out of him with repetition and film study. But the other half, damn, he just panics or tries to make a hero play and it’s who he is. It doesn't usually work too well unless your name is Patrick Mahomes. That guy amazes me. There's no such thing as a "throwing platform" with him. Unbelievable. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 3, 2022 7:26:10 GMT -6
How f----- up is the Colts QB situation? Absolutely. Absolutely and Completely.
GM's N E V E R talk about their starting QB's the way Ballard is talking about Wentz. If they haven't 100% given up on a QB, they have to think about the QB's self confidence and the confidence that the locker room has in him. If they HAVE 100% given up on him, they have to think about trade value. Ballard simply will NOT say anything positive about Wentz. He is just saying "screw it".
And, oh yeah, no first round pick.
The names being floated as potential Colts targets are a measure of just how bad the situation is. Mitchell Trubisky.
By the way. I remember it being said last year that Ballard and Reich were betting their jobs on Wentz.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 3, 2022 7:48:42 GMT -6
How f----- up is the Colts QB situation? Absolutely. Absolutely and Completely. GM's N E V E R talk about their starting QB's the way Ballard is talking about Wentz. If they haven't 100% given up on a QB, they have to think about the QB's self confidence and the confidence that the locker room has in him. If they HAVE 100% given up on him, they have to think about trade value. Ballard simply will NOT say anything positive about Wentz. He is just saying "screw it". And, oh yeah, no first round pick. The names being floated as potential Colts targets are a measure of just how bad the situation is. Mitchell Trubisky. By the way. I remember it being said last year that Ballard and Reich were betting their jobs on Wentz. The pooch has been screwed. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 3, 2022 8:49:30 GMT -6
I think you have to go with Wentz for this year. There's nobody our there they can afford that would be an upgrade. Unless one of the top QBs falls into your lap in the draft (which don't look like franchise QBs anyway), coach up Wentz for this year and see if he improves. Maybe bring in a good backup to push him.
If they miss the playoffs again, due to bad QB play and idiotic coaching, chuck Wentz and Reich. Maybe Ballard.
But yeah, Ballard talking about Wentz this way is not a good look. You can't negotiate a trade from a position of strength if you show no confidence in your starting QB.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 3, 2022 11:46:58 GMT -6
I can't see any way the Colts keep Wentz with the organization's attitude towards him being what it is. But then you ask me "OK who do the colts start at QB next season", and I have no answer, or even any theory.
As I said, absolutely and completely f----- up.
Everything I've said about the stupidity of concentrating draft and money capital on low-value positions is still true, but also moot when your QB situation is this f----- up.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 5, 2022 7:45:15 GMT -6
I'd like to nominate the following draft combine comments as the ALL TIME MOST THINLY DISGUISHED EVIDENCE OF DISGUST WITH YOUR CURRENT STARTING QB:
“I don’t know,” Ballard said, when asked about the quarterback and the direction the team wants to go. “We’re still working through it, and I know I’m going to get a lot of questions about Carson right now. (owner Jim) Irsay, Frank and I will sit down over the next ten days figure out where it’s going.”
“We’ll do what’s best for the Colts, both in the short-term and the long-term,” Ballard said.
“I’m not there yet,” Ballard said, when asked if he believes in Wentz. “And that’s something we’ll talk about as a group and move forward. Whatever decision we make will be the best one for us.”
“I believe in Carson, I stuck my neck out for him last year,” Reich said. “I believe he’s going to continue to have a lot of success at quarterback. That might be here, it might not be here. That decision has yet to be determined. But I still believe in the person, and I still believe in the player.”
“That’s the one position you have to keep firing at until you get it right,” Ballard said.
There is no way they can open training camp and present Wentz to the team as their starting QB after this.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2022 17:16:04 GMT -6
So it looks like the net effect of the Colts' Wentz experience is a wasted year and the loss of a first round pick. In other words, a huge fiasco.
I will give Ballard credit for effectively admitting a mistake. I think a lot of GM's would have stayed with Wentz out of refusal to admit a mistake.
So, going back to the original topic of this thread....how are those extensions looking now?
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2022 17:27:08 GMT -6
So, no QB at all, no left tackle at all, below-average receiving corps, below average edge rush. But other than that, all the important positions are well-stocked.
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