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Post by 00hmh on Nov 14, 2022 20:41:14 GMT -6
Watching brown now. He does not start but is the 6th man. Stetsons offense is pass the ball around the perimeter dump it in and it comes back out till someone is open for a three. They shot 20 threes in the first half Brown hit three of them. He is still not good on D but is a good fit in this offense. Yeah, Whitford wanted him to handle and pass, use the ball screen. He might have developed to do all that eventually, wasn't ready last year. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 14, 2022 21:11:44 GMT -6
Finished with around 20 a few long rebounds a couple assists a couple turnovers. They look for him to score and he is making the shots he missed here
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 14, 2022 21:11:46 GMT -6
Finished with around 20 a few long rebounds a couple assists a couple turnovers. They look for him to score and he is making the shots he missed here
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 15, 2022 13:12:10 GMT -6
Watching brown now. He does not start but is the 6th man. Stetsons offense is pass the ball around the perimeter dump it in and it comes back out till someone is open for a three. They shot 20 threes in the first half Brown hit three of them. He is still not good on D but is a good fit in this offense. Yeah, Whitford wanted him to handle and pass, use the ball screen. He might have developed to do all that eventually, wasn't ready last year. |
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 15, 2022 13:12:24 GMT -6
Watching brown now. He does not start but is the 6th man. Stetsons offense is pass the ball around the perimeter dump it in and it comes back out till someone is open for a three. They shot 20 threes in the first half Brown hit three of them. He is still not good on D but is a good fit in this offense. Yeah, Whitford wanted him to handle and pass, use the ball screen. He might have developed to do all that eventually, wasn't ready last year. |
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 15, 2022 13:34:43 GMT -6
It was obvious last year that certain players were freezing Luke out. Most of the players last year were out for their own stats, but the main culprits are no longer with the team. It wasn’t about Luke not being ready, he was in a system where players could do what they wanted on the court without repercussions. It is obvious when you watch Stetson play that his teammates appreciate his talents and look for him and he looks for them. Being a Ball State alum and former HS basketball coach, I hate to say it and hate to see Luke leave, but it wasn’t going to work at BSU after what he experienced last year. I would have loved to see it work out. We can be happy for Luke and the success Stetson and he are having this season. We can also support our Cards, with what I’ve always told my children is the finest university in the land! I’m excited about the hiring of Coach Lewis and the in- game coaching he is doing. He talks/coaches players during the game if their decisions are counter intuitive to the success of the team. Be coachable and out team first, Cards players and good things will happen. Luke has a program that fits his abilities and it is obvious width his confidence. We can all support both Stetson and Ball State! If you’re at the Cardinals games stop by Section P, row F, stop by and chat. I always love to talk basketball! CHIRP CHIRP!!!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 15, 2022 14:34:29 GMT -6
Well I dont think Im going to being supporting either Luke or Stetson all that much not that I dislike either but if I happen to see them on Ill probably watch a bit of it
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Post by swenocha on Nov 15, 2022 14:41:18 GMT -6
Exactly. While I wish no ill will and am happy for him to find a place he can thrive, "we can all support both Stetson and Ball State!" is a fair bit over the top. What reason do I have to randomly support Stetson? Do I have to support every team we have transfers at? Thus, I have to be a Kent fan as well? And wherever the hell Cochran is playing at this week? And what about that Finnish guy? Did he go back to Finland to play? I better get a subscription to Eurobasket to follow his team as well I suppose... Damn, I better not forget KJ. He's gotta be an 9th year senior somewhere this year, so let me know so I can go secure a jersey to help his NIL....
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 15, 2022 17:05:07 GMT -6
I liked how you said you were happy that Luke found a place where he could thrive. You did a great job of expressing what I was trying to say. I am by no means telling anyone who they “have to support.” I said we “can.” I choose to support Stetson because I enjoy watching team’s that are well coached and work together to execute a game plan. In my opinion, we did not see that at Ball State most of the time. I also choose to be positive even while making my observations. Luke is a fine young man who is a team player and has put in countless hours to develop his skills. He’s positive, unselfish, has a good attitude, and is very coachable. I just got tired of reading all the negativity about Luke and his supporters from Blackford county. They support him. He helped turn things around in the program when it only one once in about 70 tries previous to him being a Blackford Bruin. I’ve seen him play in over 60+ games, so I can understand why they were excited and still support him. I understand people giving their critiques and rightfully so, they didn’t observe his praise because he didn’t play up to his capabilities or the hype. I’m glad he is in a program where he can shine and also glad he has his confidence back. That’s the Luke I’ve observed. I choose to critique the performance and not the person or his supporters. It’s interesting that you named some of the unnamed players I was referring to in my previous post. The young man from Finland was fine, but the others you mentioned, I hope they thrive (accept when they play BSU). I believe Ball State is headed in the right direction without them. Sorry for the wordiness! CHIRP CHIRP!!!
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 15, 2022 18:48:30 GMT -6
I probably can't really say I "support" Stetson or Luke Brown, but I'm certainly going to be following them with some interest and amusement, having followed the Luke saga for ...what...six years now?
I also freely admit that I was part of the consensus here that collectively yawned with Luke left and probably even threw in a smart-ass comment or two. Two games is a bit of a small sample from which to draw definite conclusions, but I AM starting to wonder if me and the consensus were wrong. I'm willing to take the evidence of that as it comes and treat it sensibly, whatever it might eventually show. Others are already laying the groundwork for their excuse - "his success is a system thing....he would never have been of any value at BSU" Lets hypothetically say (you do understand the word "hypothetically"...right?) that Luke continues to score something like 20 ppg on >40% three point shooting. My contention would be that if your coaching system can't make use of a player like that then your coaching system is idiotically rigid and sucks.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 15, 2022 18:55:34 GMT -6
And let's not fail to note that Stetson's current leading rebounder is named Wheza Panzo. link |
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 16, 2022 0:25:57 GMT -6
And let's not fail to note that Stetson's current leading rebounder is named Wheza Panzo. link |
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 16, 2022 0:26:43 GMT -6
I probably can't really say I "support" Stetson or Luke Brown, but I'm certainly going to be following them with some interest and amusement, having followed the Luke saga for ...what...six years now? I also freely admit that I was part of the consensus here that collectively yawned with Luke left and probably even threw in a smart-ass comment or two. Two games is a bit of a small sample from which to draw definite conclusions, but I AM starting to wonder if me and the consensus were wrong. I'm willing to take the evidence of that as it comes and treat it sensibly, whatever it might eventually show. Others are already laying the groundwork for their excuse - "his success is a system thing....he would never have been of any value at BSU" Lets hypothetically say (you do understand the word "hypothetically"...right?) that Luke continues to score something like 20 ppg on >40% three point shooting. My contention would be that if your coaching system can't make use of a player like that then your coaching system is idiotically rigid and sucks. |
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Nov 16, 2022 0:35:18 GMT -6
And let's not fail to note that Stetson's current leading rebounder is named Wheza Panzo. linkI absolutely know what hypothetically means. I also understand that two games is a small sample and I can’t say Luke will continue to average 20+ ppg. Based on watching Luke play over 60+ games in his HS/college career and many video interviews, in my opinion, Luke is a quality human being and will be successful in whatever he chooses to do in life. Good luck, Luke! |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 17, 2022 15:37:05 GMT -6
I probably can't really say I "support" Stetson or Luke Brown, but I'm certainly going to be following them with some interest and amusement, having followed the Luke saga for ...what...six years now? I also freely admit that I was part of the consensus here that collectively yawned with Luke left and probably even threw in a smart-ass comment or two. Two games is a bit of a small sample from which to draw definite conclusions, but I AM starting to wonder if me and the consensus were wrong. I'm willing to take the evidence of that as it comes and treat it sensibly, whatever it might eventually show. Others are already laying the groundwork for their excuse - "his success is a system thing....he would never have been of any value at BSU" Lets hypothetically say (you do understand the word "hypothetically"...right?) that Luke continues to score something like 20 ppg on >40% three point shooting. My contention would be that if your coaching system can't make use of a player like that then your coaching system is idiotically rigid and sucks. I concur. But man, he had such a deer in headlights look last year. He also looked physically outmatched with a slow release. Were his injuries more serious than we knew? As for the icing out, I agree, as that was obviously going on. Having said that, he did not make shots here when he got opportunities and was outmatched physically on the defensive end. None the less, I wish him well. He seems to be off to a great start, though it is a small sample size as you pointed out. |
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