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Post by universityjim on Dec 14, 2021 11:23:39 GMT -6
Here is where I keep finding myself when thinking about this conversation. Put Randy Zachary, Mickey Hosier, or even Randy Davis at Blackford High School in place of Luke Brown and what do you get?
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2021 11:48:21 GMT -6
Not sure they had his range.
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Post by sweep on Dec 14, 2021 11:50:07 GMT -6
Here is where I keep finding myself when thinking about this conversation. Put Randy Zachary, Mickey Hosier, or even Randy Davis at Blackford High School in place of Luke Brown and what do you get? Three guys with better college offers than Luke Brown................. |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 14, 2021 11:51:24 GMT -6
Is the current roster good enough that the addition of Luke Brown will make a major difference?
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Post by loganberrie on Dec 14, 2021 12:16:33 GMT -6
The answer to the above question is yes, because Brown’s passing ability will put teammates in positions to score. If you saw Luke play in the Hall of Fame Classic in New Castle last year or in the state tournament a year ago, Luke was double and triple teamed nearly every time he crossed the 10 second line before he would thread the needle and find a teammate wide open to score. Everyone talks about his 35 point per game scoring averages, but he passes the ball every bit as well as he shoots. He could care less whether he scores as long as his teammates score and his team wins.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 14, 2021 13:03:05 GMT -6
The answer to the above question is yes, because Brown’s passing ability will put teammates in positions to score. If you saw Luke play in the Hall of Fame Classic in New Castle last year or in the state tournament a year ago, Luke was double and triple teamed nearly every time he crossed the 10 second line before he would thread the needle and find a teammate wide open to score. Everyone talks about his 35 point per game scoring averages, but he passes the ball every bit as well as he shoots. He could care less whether he scores as long as his teammates score and his team wins. That may all be true but when your passing the ball to guys who struggle to make layups then it's not going to help |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 14, 2021 13:04:33 GMT -6
The answer to the above question is yes, because Brown’s passing ability will put teammates in positions to score. If you saw Luke play in the Hall of Fame Classic in New Castle last year or in the state tournament a year ago, Luke was double and triple teamed nearly every time he crossed the 10 second line before he would thread the needle and find a teammate wide open to score. Everyone talks about his 35 point per game scoring averages, but he passes the ball every bit as well as he shoots. He could care less whether he scores as long as his teammates score and his team wins. you seem knowledgeable and have obviously been around awhile..Do you remember BSU openly marketing a Recruit like they are? |
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Post by comet on Dec 14, 2021 13:08:46 GMT -6
I might be the only person on here who had zero expectations for this kid. I hope he does well and becomes a star. If he does not we have/had nothing to lose and it's worth the shot.
I'm with you, Rob. If the kid develops into half of what some of these folks are talking about, he'd be a huge asset and a huge surprise, both, to me. Wish him the best, but I just don't see it and it could end-up a "promotional" nightmare. Still cannot see wasting a year on him unless he is what some of these folks are thinking he is. I see that as a last gasp effort by Whitford to save his butt.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 14, 2021 13:16:45 GMT -6
The answer to the above question is yes, because Brown’s passing ability will put teammates in positions to score. If you saw Luke play in the Hall of Fame Classic in New Castle last year or in the state tournament a year ago, Luke was double and triple teamed nearly every time he crossed the 10 second line before he would thread the needle and find a teammate wide open to score. Everyone talks about his 35 point per game scoring averages, but he passes the ball every bit as well as he shoots. He could care less whether he scores as long as his teammates score and his team wins. That may all be true but when your passing the ball to guys who struggle to make layups then it's not going to help That’s kinda what I was getting at. Brown could be Isaiah Thomas, but if the guys around him can’t play at a winning level on a consistent basis then we still don’t have anything. |
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Post by mattg on Dec 14, 2021 13:35:27 GMT -6
That may all be true but when your passing the ball to guys who struggle to make layups then it's not going to help That’s kinda what I was getting at. Brown could be Isaiah Thomas, but if the guys around him can’t play at a winning level on a consistent basis then we still don’t have anything. I would even say that a lot of times on offense our players are not even ready to accept a pass. We stand around and watch, waiting for something to happen. Our arms and hands are down instead of up, to receive a pass. Sounds like Luke has some Jason Williams in him with his wizard-like passing ability. I foresee some broken noses for our guys if we can’t adjust to his potential passing. Catching his passes might need to be focused on first, before scoring off his passes. Maybe Whitford can find the time to work on other fundamentals for our team, like dribbling, and not getting the ball snatched out of our hands by the other team so easily…. |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 14, 2021 13:42:30 GMT -6
That’s kinda what I was getting at. Brown could be Isaiah Thomas, but if the guys around him can’t play at a winning level on a consistent basis then we still don’t have anything. I would even say that a lot of times on offense our players are not even ready to accept a pass. We stand around and watch, waiting for something to happen. Our arms and hands are down instead of up, to receive a pass. Sounds like Luke has some Jason Williams in him with his wizard-like passing ability. I foresee some broken noses for our guys if we can’t adjust to his potential passing. Catching his passes might need to be focused on first, before scoring off his passes. Maybe Whitford can find the time to work on other fundamentals for our team, like dribbling, and not getting the ball snatched out of our hands by the other team so easily…. I had the same visions of unsuspecting dudes getting popped in the face by laser rocket arm passes. I don’t think whit has the first clue about offense. |
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Post by sweep on Dec 14, 2021 14:43:14 GMT -6
The answer to the above question is yes, because Brown’s passing ability will put teammates in positions to score. If you saw Luke play in the Hall of Fame Classic in New Castle last year or in the state tournament a year ago, Luke was double and triple teamed nearly every time he crossed the 10 second line before he would thread the needle and find a teammate wide open to score. Everyone talks about his 35 point per game scoring averages, but he passes the ball every bit as well as he shoots. He could care less whether he scores as long as his teammates score and his team wins. ..Do you remember BSU openly marketing a Recruit like they are? Yeah EMU brought in Noah Farrakhan, who is a way better PG than Brown, and barely said a word about it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2021 15:29:37 GMT -6
The answer to the above question is yes, because Brown’s passing ability will put teammates in positions to score. If you saw Luke play in the Hall of Fame Classic in New Castle last year or in the state tournament a year ago, Luke was double and triple teamed nearly every time he crossed the 10 second line before he would thread the needle and find a teammate wide open to score. Everyone talks about his 35 point per game scoring averages, but he passes the ball every bit as well as he shoots. He could care less whether he scores as long as his teammates score and his team wins. That may all be true but when your passing the ball to guys who struggle to make layups then it's not going to help That's not quite fair to our players, they did get psyched at Xavier and played badly, but you have seen them play much better.
Another good shooter who can pass can make a difference. How much is fair to debate, but to say it can't help is as bad as predicting he will be the next Larry Bird. |
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 14, 2021 15:40:41 GMT -6
I’m not comparing Brown to Bird but Bird certainly made a slightly above average team quite good
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2021 15:55:57 GMT -6
What I hate is how the team is handling and promoting it. They have never done this for any other recruit for any sport. There openly treating this like he is the messia and if I'm a current player I'm looking at this and getting pissed off for multiple reasons What am I missing?
I don't see them doing that much more than any other recruit just signed. I think the timing of this being during the season may give the usual spin more impact than it normally would. So you may have a point about that. But I hear more outrageous expectations about Luke here than from the Program.
Luke was a state wide "phenom" who got a hell of a lot of press in Indy and locally. Wouldn't be malpractice to ignore his signing in the press or on our websidte?
Whitford says:
"Luke's competitive nature and elite skill level will be a big addition for our program. Obviously, with him missing the fall practices, it will take some time for Luke to adjust to the college game, but once he does, I am confident he will make a big impact on our team."
Does he actually say anything like he will be a Messiah?
His statement compares to what Whit said about Pearson, a much less "newsworthy" recruit:
“(Pearson) can have an impact on the team, for sure,” Whitford said. “He’ll be competing for … obviously, a role right away … He’s someone that I think can be a lot better two years from now than he is today, but he’s also someone that we — we felt like he could impact our team right away and that’s why we signed him.”
If you go to the Star Press site or the BSU webpage all the BB recruits get glowing remarks printed, usually using the word impact and citing their HS stats or honors..
In Football speaking of Kelly and Barfiled Neu says:
“That’s awesome for those young men to be recognized of having the skillset that’s worthy of star rating, but we’re most concerned and I’m most concerned about the tape evaluation and the character evaluation and the academic evaluation — is he a great fit for our program?” Neu said. “… Both of those guys, between Kiael and Rico, I mean those guys are unbelievable fits for our program and check off every box.”
We know it's a lot harder for a FB freshman to have much "impact" so I am sure that is said less often.
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